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Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10

I was reading a bunch of reviews and as I suspected there are a lot of bad reviews of the Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10. Apparently the drivers on the midi controller are incompatible.
 
OK, Does anyone know of a midi controller that works with Sonar Platinum and Windows 10 without any issues?

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/23 20:00:14 (permalink)
I spoke with Sweetwater but the rep said he wasn't aware of any midi controller by Roland 

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/23 20:06:24 (permalink) ☼ Best Answerby bayoubill 2017/03/23 22:05:24
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I spoke with Sweetwater but the rep said he wasn't aware of any midi controller by Roland 

I have visited VW service yesterday and the "master" sad "wow... that I have not seen before!"
It happened that is also know nothing about many other things...
 
https://www.roland.com/global/support/by_product/a-300pro/updates_drivers/
So at least drivers exist for Windows 10 (there was a period when there was no drivers for almost all Roland devices, unfortunately not all devices got love, but this controller was "lucky").

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/23 22:05:54 (permalink)
WOW! You've made up my mind. THANKS!

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/24 00:29:44 (permalink)
Not sure where you heard Roland has not had drivers??. Roland has a lot of stuff and even for old old equipment. 
Glad I saw this as I realised I never checked for a W 10 driver for my A 49. Seems to run fine, but then looking on the support page it does say W10 will automatically download the driver, so I'll check the version... If I can find it. 

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/24 16:12:11 (permalink)
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Not sure where you heard Roland has not had drivers??. Roland has a lot of stuff and even for old old equipment.

What about all VS-700 (VS-20, and other Roland) threads? 
 
Roland was a bit late with Win10 drivers, they was added after Win10 initial release. The problem is that Roland "lock" all there drivers to particular Windows releases (something other companied are/was not doing). So it is impossible to install f.e. Win8.1 driver on Win10 without tricks, even if technically speaking it is working.
 
Roland has made a lot of "friends" with that. Not supporting some not so old devices was pure political decision. Technically most Roland drivers are the same (Edirol... in Linux kernel all of them are supported by the same code, control panel for my VS-20 looks EXACTLY the same as for my TD-11). But some was labeled as "Win10 compatible", other not.
 
Roland is not alone... some not so old M-Audio interfaces was declired Win10 incompatible (as with Roland, also correlated with corporate changes of ownership).
 
For A-Pro there was several threads about problems before, if I remember correctly even before Win10. But then new drivers was released and the Internel keep silence (means everything is working fine now).

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/24 23:16:38 (permalink)
OK, I've read a lot of complaints about the "quality" of Roland drivers, they seem to be pretty low end.   But bad or good they do seem to put them up on the support site so that's what I guess I was saying. I'll agree they certainly are blowing it lately. They used to be a leader in producing high quality Midi sound sources and keyboards.
Everything was always way over priced too. But all my Roland gear still works. I have a digital delay from the 80's and the Manual is still on their website. 
 

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/25 04:27:06 (permalink)
I think Roland may have gotten dinged for some of their audio interfaces, but so far I have seen no bugs with the MIDI controller A-300 Pro.
 
This controller is plug n play with Windows 10.  The driver is installed automatically by Windows.
https://www.roland.com/us/support/by_product/a-300pro/updates_drivers/703e59c5-65de-492a-993f-33726f044a6c/

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/25 14:10:17 (permalink)
I downloaded the file but not reading the file. I still haven't gotten the part to fix my DAW which has windows 10. Hopefully it will come today. I've been without that DAW way longer than I should have considering it's brand new

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/25 15:20:59 (permalink)
I'm pretty happy with the A49 it always works and was the best "feel" in that price range. 
The one before was A Roland PC 200 from 1989. I wore out the C2 & D2 key :) 

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/03/25 16:22:52 (permalink)
Here's a few quick screen grabs of the A-PRO Control Surface Plugin, showing the Track, Synth, and Effects modes.
 
In Track mode, you can use the left/right arrow buttons to switch banks of 8 channel faders.  In my first pic, the green highlights the tracks that are being controlled.  The 9th fader controls the master.  The A1 & A2 pads let you select tracks by previous/next.  A5 & A6 mute and solo the selected track. And the transport buttons works just like the one in the Sonar GUI.
 
The labels under the rotary knobs and faders indicate their control assignment in any given mode.
 

 
When you open a synth plugin, it switches to synth mode and it will show the default parameter controls for that synth.
 

 
When you open an FX plugin, it switches to effects mode to show the default parameter controls for that plugin.  It seems to work OK with many of the newer Cakewalk plugins.
 


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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/05/01 04:02:36 (permalink)
Does anyone who has the A-300 know how to bring up the A-Pro control surface plugin menu as shown in the screen shots above? I can't find anywhere in which I can bring that up, and I'm only able to control plugins with the a-pro, not my transport or faders. Any help will be much obliged.
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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/05/01 14:23:55 (permalink)
PM abaca,, he's a super helpful forumite and seems he'll know for sure. 

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/05/01 19:25:01 (permalink)
The control surface plugin is a separate download and install from here:
https://www.roland.com/us/support/by_product/a-300pro/updates_drivers/
 
Just scroll down to the link for "A-PRO Series Control Surface Plug-in for SONAR"

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/05/01 19:27:19 (permalink)
The readme for the control surface setup is is the zip folder.
 

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/05/02 02:26:46 (permalink)
First off, thank you for taking the time to help me with this--very appreciated. The plugin had shown up under plugin manager under control surfaces, but I uninstalled and downloaded the plugin again. It still shows up under plugin manager in utilities but I can't find any way to open it. The read me file says the following: From SONAR’s menus, click [Tools] – [A-PRO-1]. I'm assuming this should be in utilities but there is no reference to an A-PRO 1 plugin anywhere. There is a generic ACT midi controller 1 that I can open in utilities but it brings up the generic MIDI map page. I still can't open the a-pro control surface plug.
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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/05/02 03:03:46 (permalink)
Solved! I uninstalled and reinstalled the a-pro drivers as well as the plugin. When I configured the a-pro with the new drivers I was able to see a-pro under utilities for the first time. Now I can start to really use this thing for more than just the keyboard. Thanks again for the help!
 
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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/26 20:26:28 (permalink)
cmj,
 
How's this working out for you?  A friend had a used A-300 he is going to sell for $180, and it interested me as I would like to have a controller in addition to the midi keyboard...The Console 1 looks nice, but its $499 and at this point only works with Softube and UAD plug-ins of which I have none...
Does the A-300 work with any 3rd party plug ins besides Cakewalk's??
Thx!
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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/27 01:45:03 (permalink)
Just a heads up.
I was looking at controllers today and learned that not all controllers have standard size keys.
 
 

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/27 02:45:09 (permalink)
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Just a heads up.
I was looking at controllers today and learned that not all controllers have standard size keys.
 



The A-300 is standard.

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/27 13:34:41 (permalink)
Some controllers are now Class Compliant, and work in Windows without any user-installed drivers - they just work.
 
That aside, I always found Roland controllers to be rock solid.
 
The 'that aside' aside, I just picked up 2 Nektar 61-note controllers, from Sweetwater, they ran $199 each - not as robust as the Roland controllers, but quite a bit less money, and they work well for me.
 
If I had more of a budget available, I might well have gone with Roland, but am very happy thus far with the Nektar ones.  I DO suggest you do some homework on whatever controllers you are interested in, AND try to find them in stock locally, or try a friend's, to get a sense of the action and build quality.
 
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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/27 14:04:41 (permalink)
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cmj,
 
How's this working out for you?  A friend had a used A-300 he is going to sell for $180, and it interested me as I would like to have a controller in addition to the midi keyboard...The Console 1 looks nice, but its $499 and at this point only works with Softube and UAD plug-ins of which I have none...
Does the A-300 work with any 3rd party plug ins besides Cakewalk's??
Thx!




All depends on what you mean by "work with".

The A-300 plugin can control certain elements in the Sonar interface, in several modes.

In track mode you can work with track controls such as faders, pan, etc.

In plugin mode or FX mode, it switches to the plugin in focus.  It works better with some plugins than others, but it's better than having to midi learn every control on every plugin, in every project.

The A-PRO series are probably the only dedicated controllers available for Sonar.

For 3rd party plugins, if you are into the Native Instruments Komplete stuff, there are other keyboards that have dedicated controls mapped into that software.  For 3rd party stuff the A-300 will not have pre-mapped control of the plugin innards.  But the tools are there if you are inclined to do a bit of custom mapping.

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/27 18:29:27 (permalink)
Thanks Abacab.... Appreciate your time and feedback!
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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/27 18:51:58 (permalink)
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cmj,
 
How's this working out for you?  A friend had a used A-300 he is going to sell for $180, and it interested me as I would like to have a controller in addition to the midi keyboard...The Console 1 looks nice, but its $499 and at this point only works with Softube and UAD plug-ins of which I have none...
Does the A-300 work with any 3rd party plug ins besides Cakewalk's??
Thx!




All depends on what you mean by "work with".

The A-300 plugin can control certain elements in the Sonar interface, in several modes.

In track mode you can work with track controls such as faders, pan, etc.

In plugin mode or FX mode, it switches to the plugin in focus.  It works better with some plugins than others, but it's better than having to midi learn every control on every plugin, in every project.

The A-PRO series are probably the only dedicated controllers available for Sonar.

For 3rd party plugins, if you are into the Native Instruments Komplete stuff, there are other keyboards that have dedicated controls mapped into that software.  For 3rd party stuff the A-300 will not have pre-mapped control of the plugin innards.  But the tools are there if you are inclined to do a bit of custom mapping.



A few more questions... Can any control be performed in console view?   And have you attempted any mapping?  Is there transport control for Sonar, or the potential(with mapping)?
Thanks again!
 
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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/27 20:27:04 (permalink)
See the description in my post above from March with the screen captures. 
 

In Track mode, you can use the left/right arrow buttons to switch banks of 8 channel faders.  In my first pic, the green highlights the tracks that are being controlled.  The 9th fader controls the master.  The A1 & A2 pads let you select tracks by previous/next.  A5 & A6 mute and solo the selected track. And the transport buttons works just like the one in the Sonar GUI.
 
The labels under the rotary knobs and faders indicate their control assignment in any given mode.


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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/27 21:05:15 (permalink)
When you start plug-ins mapping, I suggest to start "from scratch" (delete ACT Map XML files) and use this on regular basis: http://www.azslow.com/index.php/topic,297.0.html
Almost a must for Sonar before 2017.1, but can save your keyboard, monitor and nerves with any version...
 

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/27 21:20:42 (permalink)
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When you start plug-ins mapping, I suggest to start "from scratch" (delete ACT Map XML files) and use this on regular basis: http://www.azslow.com/index.php/topic,297.0.html
Almost a must for Sonar before 2017.1, but can save your keyboard, monitor and nerves with any version...
 



Thanks az, that's a handy reference to have!
 
But honestly, I have pretty much given up on trying to control plugins without a mouse.  The A-PRO plugin is good enough for basic Sonar transport and console control.
 
If I want to control a plugin I usually just click midi learn and wiggle the one I want.  Done.
 
Or maybe if I find a big enough pile of money lying around, I'll go all in on a NI Komplete Kontrol S Series and Komplete Ultimate!!!

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/28 09:11:37 (permalink)
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If I want to control a plugin I usually just click midi learn and wiggle the one I want.  Done.

That:
a) become quite annoying fast, even for someone who does not really "mix". The problem with MIDI learn (apart leaking to tracks/synth with "unpredictable" effect MIDI messages) is binding to particular track. I mean if you want quick set compression on several tracks, you need to learn every time
b) corresponding MIDI messages are leaking to tracks/synth, with "unpredictable" result.
c) does not work well with endless encoders
 
Also for such use case, there are way to avoid midi learn. Sometimes called "Quick dial", when some knob simply control the last parameter changed (exists in AZ Controller, inspired by Automap and tutorials from Craig...)
 

Or maybe if I find a big enough pile of money lying around, I'll go all in on a NI Komplete Kontrol S Series and Komplete Ultimate!!!

... which is not going to help with controlling DAW and with 3d party plug-ins will work exactly like ACT Dynamic Mapping. No, I do not think the controller is bad. It has endless encoders and display, the combination which for some reason not so many products have (a perfect combination for controlling plug-ins). If only they could lower there own ago and "open" the controller protocol along with NKS software interface, that could be "to go" controller for everything.
Behringer is also "close" in concept with Motör. It has open protocol, more controls and motor faders. But no display...
Why all companies always "forget" something? And when something is about "right" (like Alphatrack, with motor fader, touch sensitive encoders, many buttons and display), it is declared "obsolete" and goes out of production...

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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/28 16:26:01 (permalink)
Thanks again for good suggestions and information!!
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Re: Roland A-300 Midi Controller and Windows 10 2017/06/29 02:39:47 (permalink)
OK,  I decided to take the plunge and pick up a new A-300 Pro...   thanks all for your help, I'm sure I will be adding to this thread down the road with questions...
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