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2017/06/29 17:50:30 (permalink)

what is up with informative videos

Ok I enjoy the ezine, but the new features should have a video showing the update more informative for old and new users. It is a great marketing tool for everyone. For instance I have not seen a video on the new adaptive limiter features and what happen to the live videos that was done miss them. I don't understand why this is not being done.  There are a lot of things that sonar does and does great but you would never know it because there is no type of video showing its great features.  Touch should be pumped this was the first daw to do it.  
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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/29 17:53:22 (permalink)
Im all for new videos. its a great way to learn.
But, a lot of good videos are made by Sonar users. I've made a few myself.
If more members stepped it up and made videos, it would help a lot.
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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/29 17:57:47 (permalink)
Yea, you are right about that one, but the shouldn't the company it self have the wellingness to do first for marketing purpose. I see more videos on x3 than platinum. 
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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/29 20:27:30 (permalink)
I was hinted a while back that there are more in the pipeline

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 00:15:32 (permalink)
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I was hinted a while back that there are more in the pipeline


it appears the pipeline is clogged
A shame really, all I keep seeing is 1 minute videos with Text on the screen.

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 03:27:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Kev999 2017/06/30 05:12:13
I'm all for user videos, but a good percentage of them that I've watched are....unwatchable.

1 - Preparation.  Videos should be well prepared, they should be concise and to the point.
So many videos I've seen are filled with lots of "Ummms" and "Uhhhs". And the instructors searching for the right button to push. "No, not that one.  Sorry I'll find it eventually"

2 - Get to the point already.  Again preparation.  I've seen videos spend five minutes on something that only needs a short explanation.  Even beginner tutorials spend a lot of unnecessary time on obvious things.

3 - Video unwatchable.  Many tutorials have video that is either not relevant to what's being said, or badly displayed making it very hard for the viewer to actually see what's being done.

4 - Demonstrations of the tutorials.  Tutorials should have step by step instructions on how to do something.  And yes examples are great, but when the examples take up more time than the actual instructions, they need to be edited.  20 minute videos can usually be made in half the time if the creator plans it out correctly.

5 - Speech and audio.  Many videos have someone that is not mic'd correctly or you just can't understand what they are saying.

Even some professional (company made) tutorial videos suffer from these issues.   Again a well planned storyboard goes a long way in video presentations.   I get so frustrated sometimes in watching these videos, it reminds me of some concert videos where the director is zoomed in on a drum stick tapping on a cymbal, while the lead guitarist is performing a killer solo.   You just want to scream at the screen, and say "C'mon, get the right shot!!!!"

Maybe my background in professional video production leaves me a little more critical and frustrated then most folks, but I've heard these complaints from a lot of other people as well.

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 03:40:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/06/30 15:05:53
I think this topic was covered recently by cakewalk staff. Basically, if I recall correctly, they just don't really have the staff. They will put out some stuff they just don't have like a video team or anything
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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 03:40:28 (permalink)
I think this topic was covered recently by cakewalk staff. Basically, if I recall correctly, they just don't really have the staff. They will put out some stuff they just don't have like a video team or anything
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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 04:13:15 (permalink)
Wooww Leee,you said a daw full,these are the very things that make me hit the stop botton real quick,it drives me crazy to hear "UUhhmm,OOooKaaay,etc..etc through out the whole video....lol.
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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 05:02:14 (permalink)
The proper way to do it would be to have educational video links in the new Tech + Music eZine thing . . . however, it would be hard to keep up with the pace of new monthly features added, and Cakewalk would need to have an entire video production department to accomplish this, and producing these videos in advance of the monthly releases.
Don't' think that will happen.
 
There was a time when Brandon and Seth would do an online live seminar introducing and displaying new features, but the new monthly model seems to make that harder to do. They tried to do it last year with a few new guys, sorry, can't remember their names . . . but it just didn't stick for some reason.
 
I like the Cakewalk videos that are out there, but I'm also really liking the new Tech + Music production that comes every month . . . it's just more of a reading thing that a watching thing, but still packed with good information about what's new in Cakeland.

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 06:04:59 (permalink)
Why can't Craig Anderton do a few??? He may have at least 5 minutes free in his typical 24hr day????

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 15:07:17 (permalink)
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Why can't Craig Anderton do a few??? He may have at least 5 minutes free in his typical 24hr day????


LOL That guys is busy doing everything (I know you made a joke) but wow, I imagine that Ezine takes a lot of time to prepare.

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 16:00:32 (permalink)
It's odd that I have to watch the Pro tools Videos to find out how to do something in Sonar.  The capability is there, however, since there are no videos on the Cakewalk Channel about certain things to do in Sonar, I check the Pro Tools site and there it is, or the Recording Revolution Channel.
 
Bakers hire some prep cooks to make the video tutorials!!!

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 17:24:18 (permalink)
Brief summary in the ezine and do add video connected. Like do a video showing useful the master bus waveform preview. It really helps with levels, compression etc.. this is just an example of a informative video.
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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 17:52:51 (permalink)
It amazes me how many people get the most basic stuff wrong when making video tutorials. For instance I recently hit YouTube to look for demonstrations of a tape emulation plugin. There were quite a few, but virtually every single one of them was ruined by the narrator yapping incessantly over the A/B's. And the comments were full of people complaining about it!

Sonar suffers from a lack of official tutorial videos and a poor quality manual. It has a reputation of having a steep learning curve and being frustrating to use as a result. I remember reading a thread on an EDM forum some time ago where someone had asked "what about Sonar?" and most of the replies were along the lines of "it's good if you can work out how to use it." Kids are choosing DAW's like Abelton because it's relatively easy to get up and running making cool beats in part because there are so many more "getting started" tutorials which are easy to follow. Sonar's manual is in my opinion an error strewn mess - the layout is awful (you find yourself going around in circles and wild goose chases and clicking through multiple pages to get what you want) and parts of it are so utterly wrong I'd be surprised if people weren't rejecting Sonar at the demo stage because of it. It's so frustrating to go through the steps of a manual only to find that it's as if they're describing a totally different program.

Cakewalk might not "have the staff," but I can't imagine the newbie documentation side of things is exactly helping sales.

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 18:17:29 (permalink)
I haven't had that experience with the documentation at all
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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 18:28:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Leee 2017/07/01 00:04:57
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Maybe my background in professional video production leaves me a little more critical and frustrated then most folks, but I've heard these complaints from a lot of other people as well.



As you know (but apparently others don't, LOL) it takes a lot of effort to do a well-produced video. It took me months to do the Advanced Workshop videos, and every one was scripted. Something like the demo video I did for the 30 freebie FX Chains is easier, and the "You Mix, We Master" ones aren't too difficult...but as soon as something needs to be instructional, it takes a significant amount of time and effort.

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 18:34:04 (permalink)
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Why can't Craig Anderton do a few??? He may have at least 5 minutes free in his typical 24hr day????



I'd like to do more videos, FWIW it takes me 1-2 hours of production work for every 1 minute of finished video because everything is scripted, edited, zoom+pan so the images still make sense on a tiny smartphone screen, etc. 

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/06/30 19:00:40 (permalink)
Coming from someone who has also made videos in the past, I agree with Craig. the production work involved takes many hours to do minutes of video. Even some of my videos were done on the fly but still require lots of editing.
not to mention you need to have a good audio set up because most video capturing screen software doesn't recognize 2 audio sources (Sonars + onboard) which is needed to do narration work.

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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/07/01 00:43:45 (permalink)
Well the company should have someone dedicated to this. It does not have to be mr.craig. All I am saying is the videos are a great way to convey info about the product. It's marketing at it's best.
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Re: what is up with informative videos 2017/07/01 00:44:49 (permalink)
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GLG
Why can't Craig Anderton do a few??? He may have at least 5 minutes free in his typical 24hr day????



I'd like to do more videos, FWIW it takes me 1-2 hours of production work for every 1 minute of finished video because everything is scripted, edited, zoom+pan so the images still make sense on a tiny smartphone screen, etc. 



Craig
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As Cakewalk have stated, they have limited resources. I think what they have done so far is excellent, and we will always want more. And as others have mentioned, videos are a very good strategy to promote and sell product.
 
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