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Render To Clips vs. Bounce
Is there a way to " Render to Clips", vs. Bounce to Clips, that bypasses FX, PC, Automation, and anything else done on the track or the clip other than just edits? In the Splitting and Combining Clips Documentation, the suggested method to combine clips is to Bounce, which applies FX, automation, etc., but I don't want to apply them after editing/comping.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 16:17:06
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Only clip FX should be embedded into a clip bounce. All track level FX, automation, etc. would only be of concern in a bounce to track situation. Unless clip FX are used (not commonly done), a "bounce to clip" would simply combine/embed edits done to a clip.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 16:39:27
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Only clip FX should be embedded into a clip bounce. All track level FX, automation, etc. would only be of concern in a bounce to track situation. Unless clip FX are used (not commonly done), a "bounce to clip" would simply combine/embed edits done to a clip.
I think you're right. Actually, I need to try and disable the FX bin, then Bounce-to-Clip to see if that works as I'm hoping.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 16:48:05
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You don't need to disable FX bins unless your FX bins are on the clip.
If they are in the FX bins they will not be included in a bounce to clips function.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 17:28:53
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You don't need to disable FX bins unless your FX bins are on the clip.
If they are in the FX bins they will not be included in a bounce to clips function.
Any FX in on the track in the FX bin, along with Gain/Volume automation, etc. do apparently affect the Bounce To Clips for me. Could there be a setting I'm overlooking to bypass that globally, maybe?
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 18:23:55
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Bounce to clips only effects the clips them selves, not any FX unless those FX are in the clip FX bin.
However, Freezing is a bit different. are you freezing clips ?
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 18:32:14
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Bounce to clips only effects the clips them selves, not any FX unless those FX are in the clip FX bin.
However, Freezing is a bit different. are you freezing clips ?
Nah, just bouncing to clips. By the documentation, only Automation will be applied (which I'd like to also bypass--less of a tribulation, however). I'm going to try some fresh tests this weekend. Could be related to only the project I was working in.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 20:35:48
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So, now it's got me curious as to whether Automation still takes effect if I un-tick the Automation Read button and then 'Bounce to Clip". One would assume it should no longer affect the clip bounce.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 21:35:30
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I bounce clips all the time, usually to combine multiple clips into one, to apply clip fx or to apply Melodyne or VocalSync edits. None of those things would work right if track fx and/or automation was being applied during the bounce. You shouldn't have to do anything special to prepare for bouncing a clip.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 21:40:08
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I've never had Automation imbedded in a clip when I've used "Bounce to clips".
Bounce to tracks on the other hand is a different story. Bounce to clips should only be effecting clip data/Slip edit data to create smaller clips in to 1 large clip or to remove hidden data points of a clip.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/06 22:34:23
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☄ Helpfulby Klaus 2017/07/06 23:48:25
To confirm the advice of the responses and provide visual feedback, I ran the following test in SONAR Platinum [2017.06]. 1. Load audio clip. 2. Set a Volume envelope segment to -Inf 3. Set a different Clip Gain segment to -Inf 4. Execute Bounce to Clips. The Clip after Bounce to Clips applied image clearly shows that only the Clip Gain automation is applied and NOT the volume automation, which confirms on my system that Bounce to Clips functions correctly. Clip before Bounce to Clips applied:  Clip after Bounce to Clips applied:  Hope this helps, -- Ron
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/07 11:06:38
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Excellent example Ron 
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/07 15:59:06
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So, it does appear to only have happened in the project I was working on. I did some extensive testing today on this, and it appears it's working as it should. Note, however, Gain automation does in fact impact the clip's bounce.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/07 16:08:15
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Note, however, Gain automation does in fact impact the clip's bounce.
Yes, as others have stated, all Clip Automation ( Gain and Pan) and Clip FX in the Clip FX Rack are applied during the bounce. Hope this helps, -- Ron
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/07 17:43:09
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There are many options to use Bounce to clips on but my most use for "Bounce to clips: Once your project is complete, Bounce to clips all your tracks in to whole segments of data Vs. little clips all in the same track. Then clean your project using the "Clean audio folder" . This will remove the thousands of little clips in your project and make it more manageable for storage. typically putting the project on a diet from 2GB down to 300MB or so. Hope that helps someone in the future.
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Re: Render To Clips vs. Bounce
2017/07/07 18:39:32
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One cautionary note, which might or might not apply
If you have a Midi track driving an arpeggiator, bouncing to clip loses the original notes used to trigger the arp and instead, writes the individual arpeggiated notes.
This might or might not be desirable: deciding to extend the arpeggiated sequence will cause a lot of head scratching.
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