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2017/07/10 17:20:50 (permalink)

Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option?

Hi all, does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option?
I’m no pianist, but I am trying progress into more elaborate chord progressions than using simple triads, such as 7ths and 9ths and it would be really handy to have a real time visual identification of what I'm playing.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 17:24:56 (permalink)
I agree, I've mentioned it several times here on the forums how nice it would be to have such a tool at our disposal.
However, if your know how to read music (which by your comment it seems you know theory) than it is pretty easy to digest what makes what chords. (9th, M3rds, exc).

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 17:31:27 (permalink)
Sonar has the Chord Midi Plugin for that purpose.
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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 17:37:31 (permalink)
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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 17:38:44 (permalink)
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I agree, I've mentioned it several times here on the forums how nice it would be to have such a tool at our disposal.
However, if your know how to read music (which by your comment it seems you know theory) than it is pretty easy to digest what makes what chords. (9th, M3rds, exc).



Back in my teenage years I played Bass Guitar and could get by reading sheet music in the Bass Clef.  I would say I have a basic understanding of chords, but really want to improve on my knowledge.  I suppose the chord identification option would be "a nice option to have" when experimenting as you can then quickly make a note.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 17:40:40 (permalink)
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http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Plug-ins.3.html#1630142
 




Looks promising, ill have a look at that later.  Thanks for the link.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 20:09:09 (permalink)
I thought I read somewhere that the AAS Strum Session (included in platinum) would read midi notes and give you the chordal interpretation.   
 
I've never used the program for more than 30 seconds, so I can't confirm.  
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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 21:30:10 (permalink)
I've never gotten good results out of the Cakewalk Chord Analyzer plugin.  I'm not exactly sure what it is doing most of the time.
 
If you want to know what chords are in a MIDI track (or that you are playing), try Insert Piz Here's midiChordAnalyzer
http://www.thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiChordAnalyzer
 
It's an instrument.  Put your MIDI on it's input track (or your keyboard) it shows what the chord is.
 
You can then feed it's MIDI out to a real synth to hear it, just turn echo on it and the real synth.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 21:34:12 (permalink)
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I thought I read somewhere that the AAS Strum Session (included in platinum) would read midi notes and give you the chordal interpretation.   

 
Yes, it will give you a readout of the chord name (e.g., Fmaj7). However, it displays the fingerings on a guitar neck, not a standard keyboard.
 

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 22:12:23 (permalink)
As snaut2000 said, Sonar's built-in MIDI plugin "Chord Analyzer" does exactly this. I just recently found it. :) It shows the chords in realtime on a piano graphic as well as a guitar neck (I'm no guitarist, but I think it is one!).
 

 
I wish for 2 things for the Sonar Chord Analyzer:
  • An option to show chords with flats instead (seems like Piz Here's midiChordAnalyzer can do that - thanks for the tip msorrels!)
  • To integrate it into the Control Bar as a module. It is done like that in Logic, it's really cool. That way, it could be permanently visible, but take almost no screen estate.
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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 22:15:55 (permalink)
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http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=SONAR&language=3&help=Plug-ins.3.html#1630142
 




Yup! That shows what you are playing on the keyboard
 


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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 22:35:44 (permalink)
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I've never gotten good results out of the Cakewalk Chord Analyzer plugin.  I'm not exactly sure what it is doing most of the time.
 
If you want to know what chords are in a MIDI track (or that you are playing), try Insert Piz Here's midiChordAnalyzer
http://www.thepiz.org/plugins/?p=midiChordAnalyzer
 
It's an instrument.  Put your MIDI on it's input track (or your keyboard) it shows what the chord is.
 
You can then feed it's MIDI out to a real synth to hear it, just turn echo on it and the real synth.




Thanks, that's a nice one!  Also shows the flats if you want to see them.
 


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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 22:45:57 (permalink)
Thanks for all the informative replies, ill have a look at all the options in more detail later.  Certainly looks like there is a solution.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/10 22:58:38 (permalink)
It does. Not great though.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/11 08:39:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Maarkr 2017/07/12 20:47:09
Here is how a chord analyzer is built-in into Logic's control bar:
 

 
Bakers - please implement this in Sonar! :)
 
Here is a link to vote for an idea for this at the Bakery.
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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/11 09:21:49 (permalink)
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Here is how a chord analyzer is built-in into Logic's control bar:
 
Bakers - please implement this in Sonar! :)
 
Here is a link to vote for an idea for this at the Bakery.




Unsurprisingly its got my vote.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/11 10:02:41 (permalink)
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Here is how a chord analyzer is built-in into Logic's control bar:
 

 
Bakers - please implement this in Sonar! :)
 
Here is a link to vote for an idea for this at the Bakery.


 
+1 
 
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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/11 10:21:46 (permalink)
Thepiz.org referenced above has a pretty hefty set of free plugins for MIDI. Be aware that they are MIDI plugins, so they will not appear in the audio FX list, but some of them are rather useful.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/11 13:45:42 (permalink)
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Here is how a chord analyzer is built-in into Logic's control bar:
 

 
Bakers - please implement this in Sonar! :)
 
Here is a link to vote for an idea for this at the Bakery.




That really needs to be just one more aspect to the whole chord track feature request for Sonar, if they ever get around to implementing it.
 
Would be nice to have integrated chord support in a Sonar project! 

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/11 19:16:41 (permalink)
I don't need it, but the feature in Logic would make a great addition to SONAR for many users.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/11 20:09:28 (permalink)
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Here is how a chord analyzer is built-in into Logic's control bar:
 

 
Bakers - please implement this in Sonar! :)
 
Here is a link to vote for an idea for this at the Bakery.

I think I know how to do this in Sonar... If I only had free time... Well, I guess I still will be faster then Cakewalk
 

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/12 11:35:33 (permalink)
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+1 
 
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No, but I get called "Don Draper" a lot anyway... ;) Thanks, I just really dug that Logic feature!
 
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Thepiz.org referenced above has a pretty hefty set of free plugins for MIDI. Be aware that they are MIDI plugins, so they will not appear in the audio FX list, but some of them are rather useful.



But the Piz Here midiChordAnalyzer is a regular VST instrument as msorrels said above?
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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/12 13:04:04 (permalink)
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But the Piz Here midiChordAnalyzer is a regular VST instrument as msorrels said above?




Yes, I tried it and it inserts as a VST instrument.  It can monitor any MIDI input you route to it.  By comparison, a MIDI effect needs to be inserted into the effects bin of a MIDI track.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/12 13:04:57 (permalink)
Many users use the phrase "MIDI plugin" when they are really VST instruments.  This is because VST doesn't actually have a MIDI plugin "type" but a VST instruments can process MIDI.  SONAR supports MFX MIDI plugins that can be applied to a MIDI track, those are a Windows DirectX thing.  I don't think very many DAW applications ever supported MFX plugins.  Which is too bad really.
 
The MIDI-oriented plugins at Thepiz.org are very useful, but I wouldn't get worked up about naming issues.  You just have to remember that VST plugins that process MIDI are instruments inside SONAR and can't be used like SONAR MFX MIDI plugins.  Which can be applied to MIDI tracks as effects.
 

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/12 18:32:14 (permalink)
abacab & msorrels - thanks for your input! Agreed that the MFX MIDI plugin standard is cool and underused! :)
 
For this purpose, it seems that the quickest way is using a MIDI (MFX) plugin (the Cakewalk Chord Analyzer), since the other alternative requires setting up routing between VST plugins.
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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/12 19:42:29 (permalink)
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abacab & msorrels - thanks for your input! Agreed that the MFX MIDI plugin standard is cool and underused! :)
 
For this purpose, it seems that the quickest way is using a MIDI (MFX) plugin (the Cakewalk Chord Analyzer), since the other alternative requires setting up routing between VST plugins.




Not really.  For example, just insert midiChordAnalyzer as a VST instrument, and set the MIDI input to omni.
 
Then any notes you press on any controller connected to Sonar will register on the display.  No need to route anything between plugins to make it work.

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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/12 23:05:23 (permalink)
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As snaut2000 said, Sonar's built-in MIDI plugin "Chord Analyzer" does exactly this. I just recently found it. :) It shows the chords in realtime on a piano graphic as well as a guitar neck (I'm no guitarist, but I think it is one!).
 

 


That's a staff, not a guitar neck.
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Re: Does SONAR (Platinum in this case) have a Chord identification option? 2017/07/13 07:23:56 (permalink)
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That's a staff, not a guitar neck.



Thanks. :)
 
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Not really.  For example, just insert midiChordAnalyzer as a VST instrument, and set the MIDI input to omni.
 
Then any notes you press on any controller connected to Sonar will register on the display.  No need to route anything between plugins to make it work.


Ah, should've guessed, that was obvious! :) Thanks!
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