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2017/07/15 21:34:21 (permalink)

Splitting Blobs in Melodyne

There are a number of reasons to split blobs into separate notes in Melodyne (as well as cases for removing the separation).
 
I often want to split the front of the blob so I can reduce the volume of a plosive.  Melodyne seems to have its own logic about how small a piece I can separate.  Sometimes I can do what I need and sometimes not.
 
Does anyone know what the rule is or how I can change it?  (In Sonar, for example, where you can split clips depends on the snap setting, if any.)
 
Fixing pops is much easier and more flexible in Melodyne than working directly with the audio clips, *if* I can get the split where I want it.
 
As always, thanks for being such a helpful bunch.  (Yes, even you, Anderton. )

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/15 21:39:16 (permalink)
Can't you disable snap settings?  Zoom way in, set the grid to 32 or 64 notes or whatever the smallest increment is then.  I watched some video that showed the guy splitting notes wherever he placed the mouse. 

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/15 22:09:49 (permalink)
If you hold ALT while moving the split point, you should have complete control of placement.

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/15 22:19:51 (permalink)
Thank you, guys.
 
1-I do not know where to change snap settings in Melodyne.
2-I tried ALT and it didn't change anything.
 
Maybe I am on an older version.
 
Thanks.

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 00:04:04 (permalink)
Have you tried double clicking on the blob (where you want to split it?)

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 00:23:36 (permalink)
I thought pressing alt while grabbing a note separator was consistent in all versions.
It's a free-form modifier key for many functions in Melodyne...and yes that would really suck if they crippled that in other versions. I think that's crucial to a LOT of Melodyne work.

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 02:16:18 (permalink)
I am not my computer, but the time snap settings are under 'Options' and then under 'Time....'
The default is always 1/4, so I almost always have to change it. Now I would like to change the default setting.

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 03:52:50 (permalink)

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 05:08:23 (permalink)
Watch!  That!  Video!

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 12:37:25 (permalink)
You don't even need to change tools. Melodyne's main tool is similar to the smart tool. Just hover your mouse over the top part of the note (until you hit the Separation zone) and double click.
 

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 18:38:49 (permalink)
Thanks for trying to help, everyone.
  • The video is just showing what I do everyday.  It did not really address splitting off very small segments.
  • To the best of my knowledge, Melodyne Editor does not have a snap setting.  I have set the time grid to the smallest units. Snap is OFF in Sonar.
  • The ALT key has no effect.
  • I have a license for the bigger polyphonic version and have it installed on a laptop.  (Long story.) Maybe t has more function.
I'll address this another way.

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 18:47:16 (permalink)
Ya win some you lose some


 

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 19:28:40 (permalink)
I see what you mean.  If I set the grid at 32nds and zoom in, I can split a note within that 32nd zone only two or three times.  Dragging the borders of those notes causes them to snap back or forth in set increments.  Looks like a 96th increment is the limit.
 
Added: I have the full Studio (with Polyphonic) version and so it is no different (result wise) than the (Editor/Assistant) version you are referring to here.
post edited by Thedoccal - 2017/07/16 19:59:43

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 20:30:34 (permalink)
On my version, there's a 'note' icon (top right I think) that turns snapping on/off - I'm not near the studio at the moment so I can't check/screenshot.....

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 20:46:49 (permalink)
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On my version, there's a 'note' icon (top right I think) that turns snapping on/off - I'm not near the studio at the moment so I can't check/screenshot.....


You are absolutely correct. Clicking on the note icon activates or deactivates the grid.
Like I said you win some you lose some. Sometimes I feel like no one is actually paying attention to my comments and that's my fault really. I blame no one but myself. I need to choose which threads I respond to and which to ignore.

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 22:44:36 (permalink)
Which edition are you using? In Studio there is an Attack tool. No need to split the blob.
 
I don't usually use Melodyne for this, preferring the greater precision of a gain envelope. Of course, plosives aren't always treatable with amplitude adjustments anyway, because they are concentrated in a band of low frequencies. A multi-band compressor or dynamic EQ might work better.


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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/16 22:59:22 (permalink)
The bundled version of Melodyne is a like a frustrating man to woman argument, where Melodyne is the woman. It's OK for basic stuff or good if you having nothing else. I'm not sure a seasoned Melodyne user will appreciate it's austerity.
 
 

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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/17 05:35:42 (permalink)
The "attack speed" tool bitflipper mentions is also in Editor. It doesn't do exactly the same thing but it might work in some cases.
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Re: Splitting Blobs in Melodyne 2017/07/17 05:57:20 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/07/17 10:24:29
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On my version, there's a 'note' icon (top right I think) that turns snapping on/off - I'm not near the studio at the moment so I can't check/screenshot.....


You are absolutely correct. Clicking on the note icon activates or deactivates the grid.
Like I said you win some you lose some. Sometimes I feel like no one is actually paying attention to my comments and that's my fault really. I blame no one but myself. I need to choose which threads I respond to and which to ignore.


All this is correct. And the alt key is supposed to temporarily disable snap to grid ( as per Melodyne's documentation: "Even if the grid is active, you can still adjust the position of a note (or a selection of notes) independently of the grid by holding down the [Alt] key as you move it."
 
Strange that your installation is not behaving this way....

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