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2017/07/22 04:16:31 (permalink)

External Insert Plugin Setup?

Hello, guys.
 
This is the second time I'm trying to use the External Insert plugin with a Lexicon MX200 effects processor and failing.
 
It supposed to be a simple setup...
 
1. Connect one of the outputs of my audio interface to the input of the MX200.
2. Connect the output of the MX200 to an input on my audio interface.
3. Select respective I/O in External Plugin.
 
Why am I not getting sound/why am I getting feedback? What am I missing?
 
My audio interface in a Focusrite Scarlett 18i8.
post edited by Samuel540 - 2017/07/22 13:13:48

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/22 09:19:51 (permalink)
Could you be specific and, looking at the whole signal chain, tell us which meters are moving and which ones are not.

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/22 13:09:50 (permalink)
Have you gone in to Focusrite mix control software and set up the I/O routing ?
And are you trying to track or mix ?
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207359075-How-do-I-set-up-and-use-an-external-effects-processor-as-an-insert-when-mixing-

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/22 13:16:44 (permalink)
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Could you be specific and, looking at the whole signal chain, tell us which meters are moving and which ones are not.




I can see the signal coming in on the plugin but the only sound going out when I turn up the input knob on the MX200, is feedback.

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/22 13:21:51 (permalink)
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Have you gone in to Focusrite mix control software and set up the I/O routing ?
And are you trying to track or mix ?
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207359075-How-do-I-set-up-and-use-an-external-effects-processor-as-an-insert-when-mixing-




Screenshot of the Scarlett MixControl app:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fhpkxptgcmslc6u/Scarlett%20MixControl.PNG?dl=0
 
I'm trying to track. Record the dry/wet signal.

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/23 12:44:04 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/07/23 19:03:20
Samuel540
...I'm trying to track. Record the dry/wet signal.

 
In that case it won't work the way you are doing it. Anything in the track's FX bin doesn't affect what is being recorded in the track. You would need to use a different routing configuration if you want to record the wet signal from an outboard hardware processing unit.

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/23 20:30:55 (permalink)
Just to add. There will probably be more than one way of achieving what you are aiming at. But I am not familiar with your interface, so I will leave it to someone else to advise.

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/23 21:10:29 (permalink)
I think you need a double set of outputs on your sound card to do this.  1/2 and 3/4.  Use the 3/4 to rout out to external hardware, which will then rout back to 1/2, eliminating your feedback loop.

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/24 02:24:36 (permalink)
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I think you need a double set of outputs on your sound card to do this.  1/2 and 3/4.  Use the 3/4 to rout out to external hardware, which will then rout back to 1/2, eliminating your feedback loop.


That was the case.
 
I had the output of 3/4 going to the MX200.
 
Should there be some sort of separation between 1/2 and 3/4, since 3/4 (headphones) is outputting the same signals as 1/2 (monitors)? Maybe that is the reason I'm getting the feedback loop?

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/24 07:45:48 (permalink)
Disable the input monitor icon in the track and use the record icon to give you meters?
 
Added: https://support.focusrite...an-insert-when-mixing-

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/24 14:33:25 (permalink)
 How to use external Hardware as an insert while tracking:
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207359085-How-do-I-set-up-and-use-an-external-effects-processor-as-an-insert-when-tracking-
 
Your feedback is more than likely coming from the monitor module within Mix Control.
IE- you are feeding outputs into inputs

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/24 15:33:18 (permalink)
I have an MX 200 and a Focusrite 6i6. The MX 200 can actually be set up as an external device via the USB connection too. It would show and behave as a VST.   This was working in Windows Xp and possibly W7 32 bit how well I have no idea not much info out there about it. I tried installing the software to W 8.1 and it wouldn't go. I didn't try very hard and there might be someone who got it working on W 10 in compatibility mode.. Someday I might take the time to figure this out as the effects in the MX200 are certainly a cut above ones I have as VST's. At this point I only use it in my live rig. But hooking it up in Sonar is not that hard to do. 
 
 
First you'll need to start with setting a custom mix to 3/4 output. The default is a clone of 1/2. You'll need to get the hang of Mix Control and the stupid wording they use like DAW 1 etc. 
Connect output 3/4 to the input of the MX200
Send the output to in my case inputs 3/4 of the interface ( use line inputs) 
You can set the MX 200 to 100% wet. 
Create a new Buss name it MX200 and set the outputs to 3/4. 
Now send some tracks to that as an effects send. 
Insert a stereo audio track and select 3/4 as input. 
Now when you record this track it will record the wet output of the MX 200. 
 
This is not a great way to work as if you make any changes to the tracks you applied the MX200 too they will have to be re done via the MX200 recorded track.  Just not worth the bother but it can be done.. This is why it would be nice to get the USB system working as that's the only practical way to use it effectively ( pun intended) 
 

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/26 02:39:59 (permalink)
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 How to use external Hardware as an insert while tracking:
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/articles/207359085-How-do-I-set-up-and-use-an-external-effects-processor-as-an-insert-when-tracking-
 
Your feedback is more than likely coming from the monitor module within Mix Control.
IE- you are feeding outputs into inputs


Thanks! This helped. This would work for my tracking sessions.

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/26 04:16:42 (permalink)
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I have an MX 200 and a Focusrite 6i6. The MX 200 can actually be set up as an external device via the USB connection too. It would show and behave as a VST.   This was working in Windows Xp and possibly W7 32 bit how well I have no idea not much info out there about it. I tried installing the software to W 8.1 and it wouldn't go. I didn't try very hard and there might be someone who got it working on W 10 in compatibility mode.. Someday I might take the time to figure this out as the effects in the MX200 are certainly a cut above ones I have as VST's. At this point I only use it in my live rig. But hooking it up in Sonar is not that hard to do. 
 
 
First you'll need to start with setting a custom mix to 3/4 output. The default is a clone of 1/2. You'll need to get the hang of Mix Control and the stupid wording they use like DAW 1 etc. 
Connect output 3/4 to the input of the MX200
Send the output to in my case inputs 3/4 of the interface ( use line inputs) 
You can set the MX 200 to 100% wet. 
Create a new Buss name it MX200 and set the outputs to 3/4. 
Now send some tracks to that as an effects send. 
Insert a stereo audio track and select 3/4 as input. 
Now when you record this track it will record the wet output of the MX 200. 
 
This is not a great way to work as if you make any changes to the tracks you applied the MX200 too they will have to be re done via the MX200 recorded track.  Just not worth the bother but it can be done.. This is why it would be nice to get the USB system working as that's the only practical way to use it effectively ( pun intended) 

 
Thanks, Cactus! All setup and ready to go! :) (high five)

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Re: External Insert Plugin Setup? 2017/07/26 04:26:16 (permalink)
Be VERY careful using hardware loop backs when recording since there is no fail safes to prevent a feedback loop. Knowing your routing is important. If the recorded signal is hot, the option to mute the track being recorded also exists as an option. The Focusrite Saffires have internal loop back, so in a recording "what you hear" scenario, this is often the simplest method to prevent feedback.

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