ronboy1952
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My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
Some of my 32 bit plugins do not load into Sonar 32 bit and 64 bit Sonar Professional 2016.04 unless I run it as a administrator app! I have no problem with this but when I run Sonar this way my novation controller keyboard doesn't work! What is really a shocker is that my Dimension Pro won't load either in non-administrator mode! Wondering if this problem is fixed in the latest version of Sonar? The good thing out of this is Dimension Pro, in one of my songs in 32 bit Sonar, was later used when I loaded it in the administrator mode, I don't have to open that song in administrator mode to play the song! I don't understand this mess! Ron Boykin
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chuckebaby
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/24 12:06:28
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Are you the administrator ? This is how to check: Open User Accounts by clicking the Start button, clicking Control Panel, - click User Accounts and Family Safety,
- You will be able to see you name and the account type.
- Check if you are shown as administrator
- You can change the account type by clicking on change your account type.
Also, What OS are you using ?
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ronboy1952
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/25 07:42:47
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Using Windows 10 and yes I'm the owner of the PC
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ronboy1952
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/25 07:44:57
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Yes I'm the owner and administrator of the PC and it is a Windows 10 PC.
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ronboy1952
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/25 07:48:15
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I have the same problem on my Windows 7 laptop that runs Sonar 32 bit!
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/25 07:49:55
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It doesn't matter that you are the owner and administrator. Locate the installer or the .exe , right click it and choose "run as administrator" This will run the program with an elevated set of rights that a normal administrator does not have.
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ronboy1952
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/25 08:56:28
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That's what I do already, locate the Sonar app and right click on it to run it in administrator mode but then it does not work with my Novation keyboard controller which is controlled by automap. I think this a Sonar bug that Cakewalk has not addressed!
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chuckebaby
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/25 11:02:40
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I understand you are running it as Administrator (and that's what you don't want) but did you physically get a look using the instructions I left in my first post? Sometimes we don't realize it but we are logged in with a User account.
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/25 14:35:51
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I seem to remember having to run the Dim Pro installer in Standalone mode, "As Administrator" before it would work properly as a plugin inside SONAR. But this was several years ago.
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/25 14:59:48
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Some files and paths on c:\ have no rights for Executing and Writing. Not even for the admin. But for the installer or apps like SONAR. A lot of 32-bit-plugins are from ancient times of XP. And are not made for newer systems with complicated file rights. It would be a nice experiment to place this vst-plugins to an other disc - just for test - where the rights are for anyone. I don't use 32-bit-plugins.
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ronboy1952
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/26 09:43:38
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So you're saying Cakewalk's own Dimension Pro is too old and outdated to run in Sonar? I don't buy that!! My older EastWest Orchestra Library loads just fine in Sonar!!
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/26 09:57:17
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Hi. If this is the 32 bit Dxi version, it will not run in X64 (IIRC). The 32 bit Vsti however will run in X64. All the best.
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ronboy1952
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/26 21:23:18
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Yes all my plugins are VSTis, read my description of the problem! They all run when I run Sonar in administrative mode, that mode is the mode that my keyboard controller won't work with Sonar! This is disappointing! Doesn't matter if I'm using 32bit or 64bit Sonar!
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/26 21:37:21
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Part of the problem in resolving this issue is talking about plug-ins in the abstract. DPro does not require SONAR run as administrator to run. Prior to the Command Center DPro did require running as administrator to register on Vista and newer. This was due to security changes made by Microsoft to the registry. XP era plug-ins often run afoul of these security changes. Sometimes there are ways to alter the registry to get around the security issue. For example, there is a simple change to the registry to allow Pentagon to run without administrator access. It is not a 32 or 64bit problem. It is a change in OS security policies. Changes that were made after the plug-ins were developed. Changes that were never accommodated by the plug-in manufactures.
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ronboy1952
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/26 21:39:00
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This seems to be a long standing bug that Cakewalk hasn't addressed! It took me a lot of time figuring this out but often when you fix one thing in Sonar something else stops working! This is my pet peeve of Sonar!
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/26 21:42:48
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It is up to the plug-in manufacturers to follow the security policies implemented by the OS. For example, old IKM plug-ins require administrator access. It is up to IKM to provide a solution. Cakewalk has no control over IKM software requirements.
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/26 21:52:39
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I suspect that most Sonar users may or may not use a lot of midi VSTs extensively as I do so, this problem with plugins don't crop up or don't get reported and Sonar being a Windows application exclusively should be able keep up with Windows changes if there are any at all, you can't approach developing a program or programs for an older OS version and expect it be ok in a newer version! I'm sure developers know this but sometimes they often cut corners because the want to add new features and the forget to test older issues!
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/26 22:10:46
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You might be surprised. Regardless, it is difficult to provide more help without knowing what plug-ins are involved. Cakewalk does keep up with Windows changes for currently developed products but not all plug-ins released by Cakewalk are still actively being developed/maintained. I mentioned Pentagon above, a plug-in that has not changed in years. To run Pentagon in Vista or newer, SONAR must be run as administrator or the user must alter the registry. When it comes to 3rd party plug-ins, it is up to the plug-in manufacturer not Cakewalk to maintain their software.
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/26 22:49:21
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ronboy1952 Yes all my plugins are VSTis, read my description of the problem! They all run when I run Sonar in administrative mode, that mode is the mode that my keyboard controller won't work with Sonar! This is disappointing! Doesn't matter if I'm using 32bit or 64bit Sonar!
Please show where you describes your initial issues as being with Vsti, not Dxi I did not see it anywhere... Until then, I'll await answering anymore in this post until you answer without exclamation points..
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ronboy1952
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/27 08:42:14
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Dimension Pro is a VSTi that only loads when Sonar is launched in administrator mode! Sample Tank 2 and Sonik Synth both by IK Multimedia also don't load unless Sonar is running in administrative mode. I think Sonar is directly responsible for this because they run fine in administrative mode, it's obvious to me that it's not Windows but Sonar's issue. I know this for a fact because these VST instrument plugins work fine in my other DAWs without running them in administrative mode!! No one wants to admit that Sonar still has some bugs that have been around awhile!
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/27 10:33:34
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Never mind
post edited by chuckebaby - 2017/07/28 11:02:41
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Re: My 32bit plugins do not load in 32bit or 64bit Sonar
2017/07/28 08:09:22
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Sometimes the installation and/or registry gets goofed up. See this post. If there was no problem before installing 2016.4 try going back to 2016.3 or uninstall .4 and reinstall it as administrator and select all plugins.
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