Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip

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2017/07/28 19:23:46 (permalink)

Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip

I am not sure if I am asking a right question but I have Roland V-studio 700r and get the best result during composing a song with heavy samples without clicks and pops if I put the buffer size on 512 and total roundtrip is 26.9 msec. I would like to know how are the others based on their audio interface. So the result will give us some information to choose a good audio device which can come out as a winner in heavy projects.

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    Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
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    Re: Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip 2017/07/28 19:44:18 (permalink)
    I know folks have been successful running at 32 samples on smokin machines with heavy hitting projects, so it's the whole ecosystem that has to be considered.  Not a question of just the audio hardware, it's the memory, how much of it, cpu, bus speed, hard drive speed, cache on the hard drive, etc. etc.  
     
    Heavy is a vague term as well.  Track counts wouldn't tell the story, nor would numbers of plugins, it's what those plugins are doing, how much memory they are loading up, etc. how the system resources are being utilized.
     
    So I may have raised more questions than answered, but just stating some things you should consider when trying to do a comparison.  If you want to do a general system comparison, you can try PassMark.
    https://www.passmark.com/baselines/index.php
     
    For audio, you'd want to be sure that something like Replendence LatencyMon doesn't flag any drivers as taking too long to process interrupts, etc.
    http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon
     
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    Re: Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip 2017/07/28 20:03:43 (permalink)
    I have a Roland Quad Capture (ASIO), running on my older i7 Dell Laptop / Win 10 with Sonar Platinum.  I run my interface and record everything in 96k.
     
    (512 Buffer)
    Input 7.7ms
    Output 10.6ms
    Roundtrip is 18.2ms
     
    I can lower the buffer to 192, and I start getting the occasional dropout. 
     
    (192 Buffer)
    Input 7.7ms
    Output 3.8ms
    Roundtrip is 11.5ms
     

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    Re: Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip 2017/07/28 20:37:12 (permalink)
    Hi. During recording, I use 64 samples (48 kHz). That (IIRC) gives me approx 5.8 ms RTL.
    During mixing, I increase it to 2048.
    This is with my signature setup below.
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    Re: Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip 2017/07/28 20:38:27 (permalink)
    Hi,
    Since I have the same CPU but a less performant chipset, these numbers might be interesting:
    Audio Interface: RME AIO
     
    Recording mode (32 samples buffer)/ for maximum comfort running guitar vst
    Input Latency: 1.7ms, 77 samples
    Output latency: 2.5ms, 111 samples
    Roundtrip latency: 4.3ms, 188 samples
     
    Studio mode (64 samples buffer) / at least 40 tracks with effects
    Input latency: 2.5ms, 109 samples
    Output latency: 3.2ms, 143 samples
    Roundtrip latency: 5.7ms, 252 samples
     
    In the past I used an usb-audio interface. I couldn't even dream of a solid performance under 15ms latency. I do not write down the brand, because it gives a wrong impression. It is a fine piece of hw.
    But these pci-cards rock! Since than I can comfortably use TH3 and it feels like the amp next to the machine. And I had no dropouts since than, which ruins at least half a dozend recordings of me...

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    Re: Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip 2017/07/28 20:44:11 (permalink)
    davec69
    I have a Roland Quad Capture (ASIO), running on my older i7 Dell Laptop / Win 10 with Sonar Platinum.  I run my interface and record everything in 96k.
     
    (512 Buffer)
    Input 7.7ms
    Output 10.6ms
    Roundtrip is 18.2ms
     
    I can lower the buffer to 192, and I start getting the occasional dropout. 
     
    (192 Buffer)
    Input 7.7ms
    Output 3.8ms
    Roundtrip is 11.5ms
     


    So, I am running on 4 years old I7 CPU with 24GB RAM. Almost same spec but yours is 8.7 msec less. Does the Quad Capture has the official windows 10 driver?

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    Re: Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip 2017/07/28 20:47:34 (permalink)
    I generally work to a round trip of approx 9.2 milliseconds.

    Depending on how many and which plugins are loaded I can get that down to a stable 4ms or thereabouts, but since saving those 5ms offers me no advantage I can spot I don't generally bother. I'm happy with 10ms or less round trip when monitoring through the DAW.

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    Re: Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip 2017/07/28 21:03:01 (permalink)
    reza
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    I have a Roland Quad Capture (ASIO), running on my older i7 Dell Laptop / Win 10 with Sonar Platinum.  I run my interface and record everything in 96k.
     
    (512 Buffer)
    Input 7.7ms
    Output 10.6ms
    Roundtrip is 18.2ms
     
    I can lower the buffer to 192, and I start getting the occasional dropout. 
     
    (192 Buffer)
    Input 7.7ms
    Output 3.8ms
    Roundtrip is 11.5ms
     


    So, I am running on 4 years old I7 CPU with 24GB RAM. Almost same spec but yours is 8.7 msec less. Does the Quad Capture has the official windows 10 driver?




    I'm using Quad Capture v1.52 Driver.  I do have an uninstaller in "Programs & Features", so I don't think it's the official windows 10 installed driver.  It's probably the Win7/8 driver available on the Roland website here:
     
    https://www.roland.com/us/support/by_product/quad-capture/updates_drivers/
     
     

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    Re: Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip 2017/07/28 23:57:16 (permalink)
    Ok, maybe we should narrow down the subject. Let's say what is the Total Roundtrip in audio sample buffer of 32 and 512 with different Audio Devices.

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    Re: Your Audio Device, Your Audio buffer size, Your Total roundtrip 2017/07/29 00:54:23 (permalink)
    The audio interface is far from the most critical piece of the puzzle. As Keith says above, you have to consider the entire ecosystem. If the best you can get now is 26 ms, so you then go out and buy a premium interface, you might be able to chop 2 ms off that figure. You have to ask yourself if that's worth $1-2K or more.
     
    BTW, my buffers stay at 2048 and I almost never change them. 


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