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2017/07/29 16:24:14 (permalink)

PRV cut-paste question

I just love how easy SPro has made cutting and pasting Midi events between tracks in PRV now. So nice to just select some events, make the target track active and paste. HOWEVER, where the events paste to is entirely dependent on the Now time. Regardless of where the events were when I cut them, the paste action pastes them at the current Now time. So when I cut, I have to make sure the Now time is ex-aaaa-ctly at the start of the selected events or it pastes to a different time. Is there a way to cut events from one track and paste them in another track in PRV and have Sonar ignore where the Now time happens to be, simpply pasting to the same time as where it was cut from?

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Re: PRV cut-paste question 2017/07/30 00:38:10 (permalink)
One way is to cut the MIDI note and then go Edit > Paste Special. In the top left corner of the Paste Special window you will see a ‘Starting at Time’ box. Type the time you want the MIDI note to land. If you want it to be the same time as the cut/copied MIDI note, before performing the cut find out the MIDI note time by either double-clicking on the event or looking at the Event Inspector in the tool bar.
Hope this makes sense.

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Re: PRV cut-paste question 2017/07/30 01:51:43 (permalink)
Have you tried Lasso and dragging (using the Hold CNTRL while dragging selected notes) ?
 
Also you can right click and hold, then Lasso/drag to select notes. Use CNTRL+C.
Then switch to your other track in the PRV then use CNTRL+V to paste.

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Re: PRV cut-paste question 2017/07/30 03:44:06 (permalink)
@Dilaco1 - Thanks, that does make sense, but OMG that's much too convoluted. I'm surprised it's not a built-in feature. Over 90% of the time when I want to cut and paste a series of notes, I want them to simply be played by a different instrument, and not moved in time. Seems like it should be a no-brainer
 
@chuckebaby - Thanks. I do know how to cut and paste and use the method you laid out. But the problem is that it pastes to the current Now time, and not to the same place in the music that it was cut from.

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Re: PRV cut-paste question 2017/07/30 04:32:48 (permalink)
The method I pointed out was more for cutting/copying an isolated note or short phrase in the PRV. If you simply want to swap an entire section, or clip, to a different soft synth MIDI track, why not just go into the regular Track view and drag the whole clip to the destination track? A 3 second operation.
 

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Re: PRV cut-paste question 2017/07/30 06:52:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/07/30 16:05:48
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@Dilaco1 - Thanks, that does make sense, but OMG that's much too convoluted. I'm surprised it's not a built-in feature. Over 90% of the time when I want to cut and paste a series of notes, I want them to simply be played by a different instrument, and not moved in time. Seems like it should be a no-brainer
 
@chuckebaby - Thanks. I do know how to cut and paste and use the method you laid out. But the problem is that it pastes to the current Now time, and not to the same place in the music that it was cut from.


This should not be happening *IF* you're holding Shift while dragging the clip. This always maintains vertical positioning/sync

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Re: PRV cut-paste question 2017/07/30 15:49:49 (permalink)
I never use cut-and-paste for MIDI data. The only time I use copy-and-paste is when I want to duplicate a section many times, perhaps to stretch a one-measure shaker pattern out to fill an entire chorus.
 
What's far simpler, easier and more reliable is dragging a clip or highlighted portion into the new track.
 
As noted above, if you hold the SHIFT key down while dragging, the notes will retain their horizontal position even if your mouse-hand has the shakes from too much coffee. This works for audio, too. If you want to duplicate the section rather than move it, hold both SHIFT and CTL keys down while dragging. If you want to duplicate it within the same track, just hold the CTL key while dragging horizontally.


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Re: PRV cut-paste question 2017/07/30 16:10:54 (permalink)
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Re: PRV cut-paste question 2017/08/01 14:38:44 (permalink)
@bitflipper My composing is usually note by note or phrase by phrase, in PRV, so when I go to Track View, I see a million tiny clips. I occasionally Bounce to Clip when I need to do just what you've outlined, but mostly I'm talking about "Oh, that little run there needs to be in the clarinet, not the viola", which means the notes I have selected span multiple partial clips. So now that I'm typing, I just thought of an idea. One moment please, while I try it out....
 
...ok, success! I can select the notes I want in PRV, then go to Track View, where those notes are still selected, and shift drag the partial clips to the new track!
 
Short-lived triumph, though. I just got another crash. Apparently my saving to bundle and unpacking didn't solve the problem after all. Back to the other thread...

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