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2017/08/03 18:02:01 (permalink)

Turning tracks to Vinyl?

The stats in the music business are astounding.  Total music sales are down so much the industry might as well not exist.  This is a few years old, but the trend is awful.  Album sales dropped more than 50% from 2000 through 2012.  
 

Single sales are up, but since this chart is on units, not $$, it is misleading.  CD sales are down 2.45MM--> 0.9MM or so?

And while the resurgence in Vinyl has made nerds like me happy, it also looks awful in the context of history.  
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The Vinyl chart looks better when the 70-80s are excluded

 
So
Do we need to start investing in record cutting machines to actually make money in the music biz?
http://www.vinylrecorder.com/cutter.html
 
 
 

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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/03 18:21:25 (permalink)
So you have a cutter and outboard mixer going into the lathe device. However is it cost effective unless you can afford to lose money on your investment.
 
Vinyl itself though has to mastered a bit quieter than modern stuff as well. Certainly Vinyl is expensive to buy and produce. 

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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/03 18:54:17 (permalink)
Nerd on Maurice. Nerd on.
 
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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/03 20:11:33 (permalink)
What shall we do then?

 
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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/03 21:28:32 (permalink)
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What shall we do then?




Put Bapu in charge of everyone's self promotion. 
 
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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/03 21:53:01 (permalink)
To make money you need CELEBRITY music is just an step in achieving it. Better if you can achieve it by being a moron on realty TV, no need for that singing nonsense.

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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/03 22:02:03 (permalink)
Maybe sales would be better if the industry stopped trying to force feed utter schlock to the masses.
 
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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/04 02:56:35 (permalink)
Vinyl has only seen a resurgence among certain groups. Of course there's always been a healthy market for vinyl among the dance music crowd, but I think the only other people contributing to the resurgence these days is hipsters listening to bands like Arcade Fire on their USB turntables. It's funny because they talk about the superior sound quality of vinyl but they're not exactly audiophiles and have the most basic equipment.
 

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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/04 13:03:48 (permalink)
Our Books-A-Million store was recently converted to a 2nd and Charles store. Still a bookstore, but a lot of other stuff, especially comic books (lots of comic books). One of the things that was brought in was a vinyl LP section. It is big - significantly bigger than the CD section. Plus they have a wide selection - Rock albums take up the most space, but they also have R&B, Country, and International music among others. Surprisingly, they also have older albums. In the Country section I saw albums by Ernest Tubb, Gene Autry, Bill Anderson and others. The other surprise was that they were selling the nice AudioTechnica turntables instead of the Crosley knock-offs.
 
Not sure exactly what the whole vinyl reemergence is about (or how long it will hang around), but there was a bunch of folks looking over the albums, and from all age groups as well. Plus a whole lot of floor space devoted to the product as well.

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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/04 14:17:52 (permalink)
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Vinyl has only seen a resurgence among certain groups. Of course there's always been a healthy market for vinyl among the dance music crowd, but I think the only other people contributing to the resurgence these days is hipsters listening to bands like Arcade Fire on their USB turntables. It's funny because they talk about the superior sound quality of vinyl but they're not exactly audiophiles and have the most basic equipment.
 


 
Yeah, but they need USB turntables so that they can easily transfer the vinyl recording to their computers so that they can convert them to mp3s, right ?
 
 
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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/04 14:33:07 (permalink)
My advice for vinyl:
 
1) Don't bother cutting vinyl yourself unless you're really good at it. There's a lot of (some excellent) vinyl cutters out there, and the ones I've worked with are great at communicating back with you in how the cut needs to be adjusted in the mix/pre-master--for example, how much limiting you can get away with and not kill the cut with inter-groove distortion.

2) Grab Waves Abbey Road Vinyl plug-in to emulate your pre-master (remove it after you audition). It's a wonderful plug-in that can help you hear how your master will ideally translate on the final record.
 
3) Pre-Master at a target of about -16 to -12 LUFS, and leave a good, healthy dose of dynamics, without a super-strong, pounding kick or snare drum. Compress with the 4K Buss compressor a little to tame these. Don't squash your mix!
 
4) Use something like the Nugen Audio MonoFilter to mono-ize the low end around 100-150Hz or below. Ask your cutter what's best for his lathe.
 
5) Let the cutter get it loud. When going vinyl, you and the cutter will be sharing the Mastering duties. So, stay away from as much limiting as possible (other than just addressing some peaks), or address strong peaks manually.

6) Vinyl harmonic distortion is greater toward the center of the record. Go higher speed, shorter song-lengths, etc. to avoid cutting a 7" at 33 1/3. A 12" record at 45 RPM can sound amazing and LOUD!

With all that said, vinyl has it's place and appeal. To me, it's more of a coolness, than audiophilia. Audiophiles shouldn't want vinyl aside from the same reason they love tube amplification: It's warm and pleasing to listen to. But it's far from accurate. You can make a great vinyl record, and it can sound subjectively awesome, but that's where I land on the subject. heh.

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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/04 17:17:01 (permalink)
So I don't need to convert all my digital files to vinyl?  
 
By the way- as an audiophile (I hate that term) - there are other things I love about vinyl.
1  My kids don't borrow it out of the case and never return it
2  I can actually read the stuff on the record sleeve without a magnifying glass
3  The Gatefold album covers had cool stuff inside the fold - pics, lyrics...
4  It is easier to roll - uh - a newspaper (yeah) on a 12" cover and collect the newspaper droppings where that would be nearly impossible for a cd
5  It gives me something to do with my ProJect 9.2 turntable, Clear Audio MC Cartridge and hybrid tube/solid state Aexthetix  Janus/Atlas signature preamp/mono blocks.  
6  I get to perform a cleaning ritual before every listen
7  Some of the releases are being done on 12" 45rpm with 2x as many discs as before.  Tres cool.  
 
For those of you that listen to XTC, try the recent re-release of Skylarking on 45.  Make sure it is the "polarity corrected" version.  Evidently Rundgren had a set of cables in backwards on his board and it made the bass thin.  

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Re: Turning tracks to Vinyl? 2017/08/04 17:19:40 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Beepster 2017/08/04 17:42:18
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Maybe sales would be better if the industry stopped trying to force feed utter schlock to the masses.
 
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