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Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem...

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1. Take a couple of Tracks and route to a New Aux Track
2. Setup a Gate on this new Aux Track
3. Create a Send from a third Track and route it to the side chain of the Gate on the Aux Track
 
My Problem
The side chain input on the gate on the new aux track cannot hear input from the send of another track. If I route those original tracks to a Buss rather than an Aux track, the gate can hear the send. Side chain input just cannot hear when it is on an Aux.
 
I tested this with Sonitus Gate and the Pro Channel PC4k Expander/Gate. I am having the same problem with both of those.
 
Is it just me or can anyone else reproduce this?
 
If so, is this intentional?
 
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    RSMCGUITAR
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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 04:57:16 (permalink)
    My personal opinion is that sidechaining is broken. I've had similar problems. I've also had it working only to not work later on when opening a project again. I find it so frustrating that I've given up on trying to use sidechaining.
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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 11:35:42 (permalink)
    Hey, I tried the very same thing last week and I couldn't get side-chaining to work on an AUX track with Sonitus Gate.
    I'm on the latest build - everything up-to-date.

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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 13:07:59 (permalink)
    It should work. I just tested in a new project using the layout described in the OP.
    • add 3 populated Audio tracks
    • set the output of 2 tracks to an aux Track with the Sonitus Gate in the FX rack
    • add a send to the third track to the Sonitus Gate
     
    I was able to hear the sidechain input in the Sonitus Gate when toggling the output button in the Gate UI. I could hear the gate working and see indicators flashing while adjusting the threshold with the output button set to Audio.
     
    The only difference between an Aux track vs. a bus is the Aux track must have input echo enabled.
     
    This test may be too simple. If you have a project that does not work consider sending it to support.
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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 15:43:04 (permalink)
    Tried the same basic test as scook, and everything worked as expected with the Sonitus Gate.

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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 15:52:45 (permalink)
    +1 on this statement:
    The only difference between an Aux track vs. a bus is the Aux track must have input echo enabled.

    Everytime things haven't worked as expected for me it's been down to input echo not being enabled.

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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 15:54:20 (permalink)
    Charles, if you like you can send me a copy of your project (assuming you have a small test project). I'd be glad to test if it works here and if not, try to suss why it doesn't. PM me if you want to try that.


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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 19:21:42 (permalink)
    Thank you. I will send you a project Bit as soon as I get back to the studio. Sometime this evening. Thank you do much.

    Thank you everyone for checking this out.

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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 19:46:28 (permalink)
    Sylvan
    Thank you. I will send you a project Bit as soon as I get back to the studio. Sometime this evening. Thank you do much.

    Thank you everyone for checking this out.



    Hi,
     
    These are my findings:
     
    My drum tracks are all routed to a Drum Bus. My AUX track (Input monitoring is on) , receiving OHL and OHR, is routed to the Drum Bus. Drum Bus is in SOLO. Side-chain to Sonitus gate doesn't work. No signal level in the Aux track.
     
    If I take SOLO off the drum bus then my side-chain works as expected.
    This is a bit of an annoyance as I like to solo my master busses sometimes to cut out the rest of the mix.
     
    If I send all my drum tracks to an AUX track then solo that, side-chain doesn't work.
     
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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 19:50:02 (permalink)
    Here's another annoyance. I tried to undo my changes. Everything got undone part from my drum track routings. They are still set at "Aux 1".
     

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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 20:56:57 (permalink)
    I'm guessing input echo on the aux track is the problem as well. I keep forgetting about this and thinking that sidechaining is broken.

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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 21:12:11 (permalink)
    Input echo was on :-(

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    Re: Can Someone Confirm or Deny this Problem... 2017/08/14 22:06:57 (permalink)
    I do not believe the OP mentioned soloing the aux track. In the solo scenario provided, set the send(s) to the gate pre-fader and solo the tracks feeding the aux track instead of soloing the aux track.
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