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2017/08/18 03:49:09 (permalink)

Something I'm curious about

Does the order of audio tracks matter? Such as drums at #1, bass at #2 or anywhere else? Is it going to make a difference to the mix?
 
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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 07:11:11 (permalink)
No - in the old days I know people were concerned about putting certain things close together out of fear of "cross talk" between channels and tracks on tape

In a DAW you do not need to worry about this at all so just order them in whatever way you want to suit your workflow

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 07:24:15 (permalink)
Cool deal, thanks.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 10:35:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby tlw 2017/08/19 23:15:33
Boydiein the old days I know people were concerned about putting certain things close together out of fear of "cross talk" between channels and tracks on tape

and now we have to emulate this with plugins

just a sec

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 14:05:15 (permalink)
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Boydiein the old days I know people were concerned about putting certain things close together out of fear of "cross talk" between channels and tracks on tape

and now we have to emulate this with plugins


I know right.
Im waiting for the static VST plug in myself.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 14:45:57 (permalink)
That is just what I need, kit bleed on a vocal track.

For the OP, a convention that works for you is good to have so all projects have similar navigation (especially if large). It is all personal preference, but when you are familiar with layouts, it is easier to get things done efficiently.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 14:47:43 (permalink)
There is an interview with Rupert Neve in which he states that the order of tracks in a DAW alter the sound of the mix. It's nonsense, of course, but I'd like to find that interview again. Maybe someone with better search skills than me can find it...


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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 15:40:50 (permalink)
I wonder how old that interview is.
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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 15:42:59 (permalink)
Yeah, familiarity with the board layout is important. When I do front of house at church it drives me crazy because there's no order to the layout and it's different each time.
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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 16:46:32 (permalink)
I may not be able to make sense of why asked that, but I'll try.
 
I use Photoshop regularly. The order of the layers make a difference. That's what made me start wondering if the order of the tracks also made a difference.
 
If I'm using Superior Drummer I always have the drums up top in a folder. Bass below that. Then the guitars below that since that's the last thing I'd be recording.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 17:54:34 (permalink)
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There is an interview with Rupert Neve in which he states that the order of tracks in a DAW alter the sound of the mix. It's nonsense, of course.



Not at all! When you have 125 tracks, it's a hassle to scroll all the way down to the bottom ones, so people forget they exist . Alone and forgotten, like castaways on a desert island, they remain at the level at which they were recorded in perpetuity.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 18:00:47 (permalink)
I tend to change orders throughout a mix. The main exception is the drums. If I have a kit I keep all the drums on the same colored tracks and in one place usually into a drum buss. 
 
The reason I move tracks is because I can see the wave forms compared better. If It seems something isn't lining up, I might drag the tracks in question close to one another and spread out the wave forms to get a better idea on the alignment. It's easy in Sonar, just grab the track and drag it.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 18:09:50 (permalink)
I can dig that. FOH at church can get out if hand.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 18:57:10 (permalink)
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I tend to change orders throughout a mix. The main exception is the drums. If I have a kit I keep all the drums on the same colored tracks and in one place usually into a drum buss. 
 
The reason I move tracks is because I can see the wave forms compared better. If It seems something isn't lining up, I might drag the tracks in question close to one another and spread out the wave forms to get a better idea on the alignment. It's easy in Sonar, just grab the track and drag it.


I see the logic, but when I want to compare waveforms I just select the 2 (or more) tracks I'm interested in and hit ctrl + shift + h to hide every other track and maximise the remaining ones in one go.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 19:38:05 (permalink)
I gotcha, I used to be a professional photographer also, so I get the PS reference. Track order doesn't matter sonically, but it does in work flow. If you have a consistent layout, you will be able to work faster. As with many things I guess we all work a little differently. There aren't absolute rights and wrongs. Flexibility is what makes these modern DAWS great.
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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 19:54:08 (permalink)
Funny topic ,, but it made me realize I put my tracks  somewhat the way I've always set up a FOH mixer. 
Vocals in first channels left to right across the stage, then the instruments  and then drums on the far right in what ever channels where left over. So my Sonar track view has the Vocals at the top and drums at the bottom with everything else between. If I open the console view it look the way I like.  I think it does sound better this way!! 

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 20:16:51 (permalink)
Top to Bottom, my projects always run Drums > Bass > Electric Guitars > Acoustic Guitars > Keyboards > Vocals > Special Fx, all in separate folders.
 
Within each folder, the tracks are always set out so the the top track is the instrument that "speaks" first, apart from drums which are Kick > Snare > Hat > Toms > Cymbals > Percussion.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/18 21:00:15 (permalink)
Whatever works. It is good to share tips though.
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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/19 03:52:24 (permalink)
It's interesting to see how many different ways of doing things there are. I was hesitant to ask this question, but I'm glad I did now.

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Re: Something I'm curious about 2017/08/22 19:19:24 (permalink)
I guess I always put vocals on top (left side of mixer equals top in DAW, then guitars, on down.

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