"Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker

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2017/08/18 14:48:52 (permalink)

"Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker

https://soundcloud.com/bats-brew/work-it-out-1

this is a 'next to final' mix for this 8th song on my upcoming album release called "Trouble".
it's the 'rocker' on the album. short and sweet.
i'm looking for mix translation issues.... and suggestions for mix changes if you hear some.

my initial list of things i think i need to tweak:
1. vox too loud.
2. kick drums needs a touch more impact, more high end smack.
3. 1st section may be too low in relation to 2nd section.
4. snare may need further brightening. or, everything else needs to be less bright.
 
any ideas are appreciated.

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    kevinwal
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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/18 15:48:44 (permalink)
    Killer song! You always go for the jugular and you nailed it on this one. Fantastic guitar work. If I had my stuff to this level, it would already be out there. But to your tweaks:
     
    1. If the vox is too loud it's not by very much. It does slightly obscure the great riffage at times but it's a taste thing imho.
    2. More kick would be a good thing probably.
    3. I like the contrast of the two sections, don't really see a problem with the relative volumes.
    4. Snare sounds cool to me, lays right in there.
     
    Just great stuff.

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/18 15:59:01 (permalink)
    That's a excellent tune! Great work.
    The only thing I would do is beef up the drum sound a tiny bit. They aren't as full sounding as the rest of the mix imo. The drum volume is fine.  
    Great work on all fronts!

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/18 16:53:54 (permalink)
    batsbrew
     
    1. vox too loud.
    2. kick drums needs a touch more impact, more high end smack.
    3. 1st section may be too low in relation to 2nd section.
    4. snare may need further brightening. or, everything else needs to be less bright.
     
    any ideas are appreciated.


    1. Sounded OK here
    2. Yes touch more thwack and a little more bottom end whomp 
    3. Tad to long for me
    4. Seems OK to me.

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/18 21:30:21 (permalink)
    kevinwal
    Killer song! You always go for the jugular and you nailed it on this one. Fantastic guitar work. If I had my stuff to this level, it would already be out there. But to your tweaks:
     
    1. If the vox is too loud it's not by very much. It does slightly obscure the great riffage at times but it's a taste thing imho.
    2. More kick would be a good thing probably.
    3. I like the contrast of the two sections, don't really see a problem with the relative volumes.
    4. Snare sounds cool to me, lays right in there.
     
    Just great stuff.


    hey kev, thanks man, for listening and commenting.......
     
    vox obscurings, i guess have to be secondary to all else.... so i might have to live with that one.
    maybe hardcore panning, during the small sections that have lead solo and vox, would fix that 
     
    more kick check
     
    the contrast was meant to be just that, contrast.....
    but maybe i can bring them a little more together, and it still work.
     
     

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/18 21:31:20 (permalink)
    MGC59
    That's a excellent tune! Great work.
    The only thing I would do is beef up the drum sound a tiny bit. They aren't as full sounding as the rest of the mix imo. The drum volume is fine.  
    Great work on all fronts!


    hi MGC,
    thanks for the comments...
    beef up drums, check.
    on MY playback that i mixed on, they are booming..
    but on this little PC speaker system i'm at right now, it's weak.
    somewhere in the middle, is where i wanna be

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/18 21:31:57 (permalink)
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    1. Sounded OK here
    2. Yes touch more thwack and a little more bottom end whomp 
    3. Tad to long for me
    4. Seems OK to me.




    thanks for the checklist wookiee, working on it tonight

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/19 10:13:25 (permalink)
    Just a little more clarity on the kick drum for me Rob, I really like the snare as it is, sounds like Ian Paice's. Fab 2nd section, just brilliant stuff. I thought the first section sits OK with it, like a prelude.

     
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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/19 23:25:27 (permalink)
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    Just a little more clarity on the kick drum for me Rob, I really like the snare as it is, sounds like Ian Paice's. Fab 2nd section, just brilliant stuff. I thought the first section sits OK with it, like a prelude.


    thanks for listening james....
     
    kick is cool to mix,
    i have a low track and a high track..
    bring up a touch of the high track, voila!
    instant clarity.
     
    i have them going thru a parallel compressor as well, 
    so i adjust that to taste in tandem with making slight level changes.
    boom!
    there it is
     
     
    yea, the opening section is just that... a prelude.
    it's kinda moody, and ominous... like a brewing argument....
    then, the statement of intent!
    heheh

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/20 01:48:47 (permalink)
    hey bat - another great rockin tune!  I didn't hear before you adjusted anything, but mix sounds just right to me!
     
    great stuff!

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/21 01:44:01 (permalink)
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    hey bat - another great rockin tune!  I didn't hear before you adjusted anything, but mix sounds just right to me!
     
    great stuff!


    hey beagle!
    well, any suggestions on FINAL mix tweaks is what im' going for now,
    and i just tracked some percussion and vocals onto the first section this weekend, so it's changed already!
    LOL

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/21 16:25:21 (permalink)
    I listened to it on my Yamaha NS-10s in my studio...they do tend to be light in the bottom..
    I always check my mixes on as many types of listening devices possible...(of course I didn't do that here...)
    I should have been more clear....beefing up was a poor choice of words...The drums just need to have as much presence and quality as the rest of the mix...imo
    Of course the change I am suggesting is really, really tiny...like sending the drum mix to a separate stereo bus with a  fat compressor like a CA-2A and blend that sound back into the mix a little.
    Everything you did plus the song is awesome.

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/21 19:36:16 (permalink)
    MGC59
    I listened to it on my Yamaha NS-10s in my studio...they do tend to be light in the bottom..
    I always check my mixes on as many types of listening devices possible...(of course I didn't do that here...)
    I should have been more clear....beefing up was a poor choice of words...The drums just need to have as much presence and quality as the rest of the mix...imo
    Of course the change I am suggesting is really, really tiny...like sending the drum mix to a separate stereo bus with a  fat compressor like a CA-2A and blend that sound back into the mix a little.
    Everything you did plus the song is awesome.


    gotcha MGC.....
    the ns 10's require a trained ear, i remember using them way back when they first came out.
    but once you got it, it's pretty good monitoring.
     
    the drums are currently thru a parallel compressor, mixed back up into the dry mix of the regular sub busses......
    but the original capture was a bit dull, so i'm having to add various amounts of high end to most all the drum tracks,
    it's just a matter of finding the sweet spot.
     

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    Re: "Work It Out" - a high energy groovy rocker 2017/08/21 19:37:04 (permalink)
    Ok, i've pulled this one,
    moving on to the next one.
     
     
    i only have 2 left before the entire album is mixed.
     
    i've posted all previous 8 songs here already......
     
     

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