stevetrusty11
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Changing automation on all tracks
I have finished a project. I am using volume envelope on some tracks in track view.
What I'm trying to achieve is pulling down all the tracks faders a couple db globally.
But the tracks with volume envelopes bump back up where they were. Some tracks don't have envelopes which obviously have no issues.
How can I globally bring down all faders along with those with volume envelope automation!??
Other wise it's very tedious going through every track with automation and bringing down the full tracks automation line to match.
Thanks!
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/19 19:44:41
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Offset mode or lower the (offset) fader on the bus the tracks route to.
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/19 20:44:48
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Kevin is right on with offset mode.
However I avoid that like the plague. You can also use CNTRL+A to select all tracks / Then Hold CNTRL While Dragging 1 line down and all will move.
I like to open the track real wide to get a zoomed in view for detailed movements.
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stevetrusty11
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/19 21:22:14
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Not sure I understand what you mean by offset. But I mostly use aux tracks instead of buses these days, but only to blend another effect.
Chuckebaby does that then only turn down the tracks with volume automation? I guess I could put volume envelopes on everything. Then do as you say then it will pull down all the above? Guess that seems easy enough. Appreciate the input!
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/20 01:38:30
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Welcome to the forum Steve. Yes, if you select all tracks, if you change the volume of one track then all will change (with or without automation). There is a module in the Control Bar called the Mix Module. Within that is a button to enable/disable 'envelope mode' by which it sets all the vol/pan/gain controls to 0. Then you can adjust all volumes smoothly & evenly. It is not good to change volume of master bus. Always adjust volumes of tracks to get total output at the proper level. Have fun 
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stevetrusty11
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/20 05:13:30
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Exactly what I needed to know and how. Thanks I appreciate it a lot!
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/20 18:17:52
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Yep, Offset Mode is your friend here. - Engage Offset Mode
- Ctrl + a to select all tracks
- Select one and whilst holding ctrl, adjust the fader
- DISENGAGE OFFSET MODE!!!
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/20 18:44:45
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Hi. I agree with Offset mode as the way to go. Advice nr. 4 from Bristol_Jonesey is essential to remember afterwards, however. All the best.
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/20 18:52:07
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Bristol_Jonesey
Yep, Offset Mode is your friend here.
- Engage Offset Mode
- Ctrl + a to select all tracks
- Select one and whilst holding ctrl, adjust the fader
- DISENGAGE OFFSET MODE!!!
http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3055137 Something has obviously changed your mind  Bristol_Jonesey
How do you guys use offset mode?
Never.
Too damned confusing. I'm not at all averse to editing my own envelopes - and it's easy enough to select the whole env. & drag it up/down as needed.
I agree with your comment 3 years ago. It easy enough to select all tracks and drag one automation line down. If there is one feature in Sonar that has the potential to ruin hours of work, its offset mode. If you leave it on and forget about, its over.
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/20 20:58:39
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Yeah, I certainly did have a change of mind, once i learnt how to use it properly.
I use it quite often these days as i'm revisiting several old projects which, with the benefit of hindsight, were all mixed a little hot.
This is the easiest way by far to bring all tracks including automation down by a set amount
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/21 10:24:08
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I can respect that. Personally I forget things way to much these days. Cant trust myself. 
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/21 20:45:57
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Very much appreciated guys.
Now I think I might be doing this backwards. When I hit the offset/envelope button it turns blue. It puts all faders to 0. But the volume envelopes don't change? I select all and pull down the fader and all faders come down.. go back to hit offset/envelope again, no changes to the envelopes?
Soooo does that mean I been mixing with it engaged? If so is that my issue why it didn't work?
Instead I just put envelopes on every track, select all, pulled down a envelope line on whatever track and they all came down.
Both got the same result. So I'm just curious if I've had it on the whole time on all my projects meaning the button is not blue when I set all my envelopes.
I use custom project templates, I'm wondering if this is where I messed up by having that engaged on every project. I thought off was when it was grey/transparent
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Bristol_Jonesey
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/21 21:06:39
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No, the faders and envelopes DON'T change when you come out of Offset Mode. You just have to remember!
An easy way to tell if you are in that mode is the existence of little + signs nest to all the controls that can be altered using this function
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/22 00:30:27
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Agreeing with Chuck, I avoid using Offset Mode, although I can see it as being useful. If the Offset Mode flag was a something more prominent than the little "+" sign, there would be less chance of using it accidentally. Also there needs to be some sort of indicator on each track that an offset has been applied. Otherwise you are just relying on your memory.
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/22 00:57:55
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Kev999
Agreeing with Chuck, I avoid using Offset Mode, although I can see it as being useful. If the Offset Mode flag was a something more prominent than the little "+" sign, there would be less chance of using it accidentally. Also there needs to be some sort of indicator on each track that an offset has been applied. Otherwise you are just relying on your memory.
I've used offset mode on rare occasion, but always with great care and attention, Chucke's right, it has potential to make a mess. I've also found myself tweaking down the Gain knob (at the top of prochannel) on my Master Bus . . . is that a no no ? . . . or just a cheap shortcut ?
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/22 09:21:03
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Kev999
Agreeing with Chuck, I avoid using Offset Mode, although I can see it as being useful. If the Offset Mode flag was a something more prominent than the little "+" sign, there would be less chance of using it accidentally. Also there needs to be some sort of indicator on each track that an offset has been applied. Otherwise you are just relying on your memory.
I've used offset mode on rare occasion, but always with great care and attention, Chucke's right, it has potential to make a mess. I've also found myself tweaking down the Gain knob (at the top of prochannel) on my Master Bus
. . . is that a no no ? . . . or just a cheap shortcut ?
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Kev999
Agreeing with Chuck, I avoid using Offset Mode, although I can see it as being useful. If the Offset Mode flag was a something more prominent than the little "+" sign, there would be less chance of using it accidentally. Also there needs to be some sort of indicator on each track that an offset has been applied. Otherwise you are just relying on your memory.
I've used offset mode on rare occasion, but always with great care and attention, Chucke's right, it has potential to make a mess. I've also found myself tweaking down the Gain knob (at the top of prochannel) on my Master Bus
. . . is that a no no ? . . . or just a cheap shortcut ?
Not necessarily cheap, but you run the risk of upsetting any dynamics plugs further down the chain, especially if you've spent time setting up thresholds, input gains etc. These will be affected by changes made via the Gain knob.
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Re: Changing automation on all tracks
2017/08/23 01:49:20
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Agreeing with Chuck, I avoid using Offset Mode, although I can see it as being useful. If the Offset Mode flag was a something more prominent than the little "+" sign, there would be less chance of using it accidentally. Also there needs to be some sort of indicator on each track that an offset has been applied. Otherwise you are just relying on your memory.
I've used offset mode on rare occasion, but always with great care and attention, Chucke's right, it has potential to make a mess. I've also found myself tweaking down the Gain knob (at the top of prochannel) on my Master Bus
. . . is that a no no ? . . . or just a cheap shortcut ?
Not necessarily cheap, but you run the risk of upsetting any dynamics plugs further down the chain, especially if you've spent time setting up thresholds, input gains etc. These will be affected by changes made via the Gain knob.Thanks, good point Bristol_Jonesey . . . I knew there had to be a reason, never thought adjusting the Gain knob would affecting previously set up dynamics plugins settings, it does make sense. I must have a closer look at Sonar's Offset Mode. For some reason I though it messed with the meter referencing, unity gain ? . . . not sure of the right terminology, but if you adjust Offset Mode too much, could it possibly have any other negative effects ?
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