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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 13:25:04 (permalink)
That was entertaining and so true.
 
MTV has certainly lost there way since the 90's.....I used to enjoy watching Nina Blackwood, Mark Goodman, Alan Hunter, Martha Quinn, and of course all the music videos. Now, just a waste of a channel. 

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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 13:39:26 (permalink)
 

 
The first video ever played by MTV.

 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 13:40:56 (permalink)
I read somewhere that in the 80s, the record labels were heavily subsidizing MTV.  A change to the FCC regulations stopped it.  Without the subsidy, MTV couldn't stay in business just providing music videos.

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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 14:40:47 (permalink)

 
Wanna know when MTV was no longer MTV and became something else?   Not yesterday.  Not when the idiot editors at Huffington Post wrote more of their pathetic claptrap they call articles.  MTV was no longer MTV the day My so-called Life aired its pilot.
 
MTV's downfall from something worth paying attention to all started with this crappy show.

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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 14:52:41 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Linear Phase 2017/08/25 14:55:12

 
This early history of MTV is one of the most enjoyable books I've read. It's full of great stories about those wild, early days in which music videos were a new thing, nobody really knew how to make them and so you ended up with some really quirky and whimsical videos as a result. Music videos were certainly a lot more fun back in those days, that's for sure. The book also contains hundreds of anecdotes about the making of some of those classic 80's videos. Lots of craziness and debauchery. The kind of book you can just dip into anywhere and enjoy, although it took me weeks to read it because I kept stopping to look videos up on YouTube. 

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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 15:50:09 (permalink)
OK, I guess nobody else is going to do it ...
 


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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 15:54:44 (permalink)
There is some extra credit there too

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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 16:08:03 (permalink)
Clap Trap is something men in the 50's were not afraid of. Being invincible and all. 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 17:29:28 (permalink)
Another honorable mention
 


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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/25 17:36:49 (permalink)
Bang goes another kanga on the bonnet of the van...
 


 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/26 17:11:12 (permalink)
http://www.askmen.com/entertainment/austin/music-videos-are-dead.html
 
That basically sums up the issue. Music videos were expensive to make, and television time is really valuable. So if the cost of making and airing the video cannot be recouped from sales of CD's there is no incentive to do so. The other issue is sequential no-choice programming. How many of you sit down turn on a local radio station sit back and do nothing else except listen to whatever music they throw at you. I listen to the radio in the car sometimes if I forgot to bring my usb song collection to plug in and there is no NPR news available, but even if I am just looking to see what is new and hot in pop music, I can find it on Spotify. How many promotional type videos (the stuff MTV used to string one after the other) are now available on the internet for you to pick and choose without having to sit through ones you dislike in between?
 
MTV is not the only cable station to have lost its way in the the fading promise of cable TV. My first cable bundle which, by the way, featured no advertisements because my subscription fee was supposed to cover the cost, included:
Arts and Entertainment, which was to be the venue for live and recorded concerts by symphony orchestras, ballets and modern dance, and visual arts criticism and commentary.
The  History Channel, that was going to be devoted to airing documentary work about history
Discovery, which was going to explore the exciting world of science
 
Look at the lineup on those channels now (which feature a very large number of commercials interrupting the content) and you will find mostly true crime and reality shows, and reruns of old broadcast shows. There is so much content needed to fill hundreds of channels 27/7 that production budgets have all but dried up, the production talent pool has been stretched thin, and only the cheapest content is affordable for most cable-casters. 
 
 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 01:21:00 (permalink)
I figure some of you guys need a good laugh
Gulp,
I'm the guy at 1 : 46 paying The Rake BTW, This is my first and only MTV video appearance  ...
 

 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 04:02:27 (permalink)
MTV has been a joke for years.

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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 14:24:18 (permalink)
DrLumen
MTV has been a joke for years.




Sure that may be the case Now I get it ...The thing is MTV was no Joke in the early 80's for about 10 years
It is absolutely astonishing how many great bands and musical artists MTV featured 
 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 14:50:42 (permalink)
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I figure some of you guys need a good laugh
Gulp,
I'm the guy at 1 : 46 paying The Rake BTW, This is my first and only MTV video appearance  ...
 

 
Kenny
 


Was that a quadruple 12-Tine Rake Kenny?
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 15:25:44 (permalink)
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I figure some of you guys need a good laugh
Gulp,
I'm the guy at 1 : 46 paying The Rake BTW, This is my first and only MTV video appearance  ...
 

 
Kenny
 


Was that a quadruple 12-Tine Rake Kenny?


 
Hi Ed ,
I'm surprised I actually found that vid.. 
Yesterday was the first time I saw that Video in almost 34 years ..Wow time fly's....
 
Honestly ,
I'm not sure what type of rake that was .I think they handed me the Rake because I was chasing after Enid all day
All I know is , after I gave them back the rake ...Gulp , it was pregnant
 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 16:22:49 (permalink)
Noice! 
 
I think that would look great on the album liner:  Kenny: Electric and Acoustic Guitars, 12-String, Rake...  
 
 

 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 16:27:52 (permalink)
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OK, I guess nobody else is going to do it ...
 



God I hated this song and video.

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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 17:28:33 (permalink)
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OK, I guess nobody else is going to do it ...
 



God I hated this song and video.




Not me I loved hearing it every so often over the years  ..
I used to work at Mannys Music when Jack Sonni was still working at Rudy's Guitar shop ...
We were on OK/ good terms as 48th street guitar store workers ..everybody on that block was ..
Seeing Jack go from selling guitars , picks and strings at Rudy's Guitar shop to playing Guitar in Dire Straits was very inspirational to me and many of the other guitar players that had to hold down a day gig working in a music store
 
all the best,
 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 17:45:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2017/08/27 17:51:39
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BobF
OK, I guess nobody else is going to do it ...
 



God I hated this song and video.




Not me I loved hearing it every so often over the years  ..
I used to work at Mannys Music when Jack Sonni was still working at Rudy's Guitar shop ...
We were on OK/ good terms as 48th street guitar store workers ..everybody on that block was ..
Seeing Jack go from selling guitars , picks and strings at Rudy's Guitar shop to playing Guitar in Dire Straits was very inspirational to me and many of the other guitar players that had to hold down a day gig working in a music store
 
all the best,
 
Kenny


 
Love the story behind Knopfler writing the lyrics to that song.
 
I remember the first time I heard the 'Brothers In Arms' album. They played it right through on the radio when a friend and I went on a late evening trip to see another guy who was in hospital. I loved that MFN riff, and it sounded great as a passenger in a BMW 5 series doing 120MPH around the M25 in the dead of night 
 
I also remember being very impressed with Jack Sonni (and his huge suit ) on the 'Alchemy' tour vid.

 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 17:49:50 (permalink)
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Noice! 
 
I think that would look great on the album liner:  Kenny: Electric and Acoustic Guitars, 12-String, Rake...  
 
 



Hey Craig ,
A small screen shot of that park bench scene  may make a nice little avatar ...
Yes , that sure was a nice thing to have happened to me back then
 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 18:58:51 (permalink)
jamesg1213
 
 
Love the story behind Knopfler writing the lyrics to that song.
 

 

 
I've been hanging around in my local Curry's for years trying to find similar inspiration.
 
 
Not a fan of the song though. It's only redeeming feature is that it's not "Walk of Life".
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 19:13:39 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I thought the M has been missing for almost 25 years!
 
It was a great idea, but sadly, the reality was that it became a nudity thing with models and such, and nowadays it is not cool to do that ... and no one wants to do videos about rats and dumpsters! Besides the fact that it will never get shown!
 
All in all, I think that a lot of videos, and this goes back to the first ones, were not very good, and in essence they were not really about the music itself, but some ego-side of a lot of the music and bands involved, and in the end, those attitudes will fall off the end of the earth like anything else.
 
I, originally, thought that it would have been a great place for live shows, but the music industry got paranoid, instead of taking an idea from the Grateful Dead and Tangerine Dream and others, and it was to also package the show and sell it ... and that kinda takes away the bootleg and the rip's for the Tube and such, for the most part.
 
In the end, MTV fell in the hands of the typical idiot that runs the American Cable Networks and channels and as such it was doomed to fall apart without interest ... and I sincerely doubt that the "costs" for many of these videos was the issue that helped kill it ... the majority of the videos that MTV showed were utter crap and badly defined and designed videos done on shoestrings and making sure the almost naked model took your attention so you would not see the cheap backgrounds. It doesn't take talent or a lot of money to do that kind of stuff, specially today, when video is it, and film is no longer in anyone's thoughts. At least, in 1975, film was still the way to go, and that cost was not exactly ... open to everyone.
 
In the end, there has to come up a new venture that is not afraid to show new folks and new works, and tell those old networks to die ... they are all crinkly and with arthritis anyway!
 
 

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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/27 22:06:57 (permalink)
Oh crap!  I think I agree with Pedro!  LOL! 

 
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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/28 10:14:08 (permalink)
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Oh crap!  I think I agree with Pedro!  LOL! 




You made it past Hi ?
 
 
Wow.
 
 
 

 

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Re: The ‘M’ From MTV Is Missing 2017/08/28 20:31:04 (permalink)
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Oh crap!  I think I agree with Pedro!  LOL! 




You made it past Hi ?
 

 
There was more after "Hi?" 
 

 
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