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2017/08/29 06:10:51 (permalink)

Tempo for samples

Pretty sure I've asked this question before and also seen loads of others asking, is it just me or is the time stretch in Sonar absolutely awful to use?
 
So I've just been spending some money on samples and a brand new HW sampler to go with them, I love the sounds and use them to construct live pieces however when I load them in to Sonar all I get is grief. So my track is 120 bpm and my sample is sat at 115 bpm, not far to go and should retain a decent sound. Load in the sample to a new audio track and that's where I'm drawing a blank. Loads of people have suggested Audio snap with no real step by step, it just seems clunky as hell for a feature that must be used all the time around the world?


Pretty sure most DAW's now just give a tick option for this kind of thing, import audio to track tempo, yes or no?
 
Am I missing something or is it just as convoluted as it seems?
 
Thanks in advance for any help.
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    chuckebaby
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    Re: Tempo for samples 2017/08/29 13:14:25 (permalink)
    Samples that are not acidized need some work before they can be stretched.
    Typically I will work on samples ahead of time if I know they are going to be used in stretching projects.
     
    I set the Project tempo to the BPM the samples are set to then I right click on the clip and choose "Open in Loop construction. that's where I fine tune.
     
    However if your project tempo is set to the same as the clip is, just right click on the clip and choose "Groove clip looping". Sonar does a pretty decent job at figuring out where the transients are.
    If you find that isn't suffice, use the loop construction view to tweak the transient markers.
     
    A 5 BPM change shouldn't be that noticeable at all.

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    Re: Tempo for samples 2017/08/29 14:59:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/08/29 15:00:30
    mattburnside
    Am I missing something or is it just as convoluted as it seems?

     
    There are five ways to do stretching in SONAR. AudioSnap is the wrong tool for what you want to do. It is similar conceptually to Pro Tools' Beat Detective and is designed to handle percussive tracks like drums, bass, rhythm guitar, etc., not program material. If Cakewalk had called it BeatSnap, I think there would be a lot less confusion.
     
    In addition to what Chuck says above, if you don't need the sample to follow tempo changes, you can simply stretch the end or beginning by holding ctrl+shift, clicking on the edge of the clip to slip-edit it, then dragging in or out to the desired length. You'll want to turn on Snap so that the clip falls on a beat boundary. Because you want to increase the speed from 115 to 120 BPM, you'll need to shorten the clip. This works on program material as well as individual instruments. 
     
    You will able to preview the clip but it won't sound all that great. Bounce the clip to itself to invoke the high-quality, offline iZotope Radius stretching algorithm.
     
    Although you can't "roll out"  a clip modified via DSP, you can "Paste Special" it for multiple repetitions starting wherever you want in the song (it defaults to pasting at the now time).
     
    Maybe a good "Friday's Tip of the Week" would be to explain the five stretching options, and the situations where each option is most appropriate.

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    Re: Tempo for samples 2017/08/29 16:02:30 (permalink)
    Anderton
    Maybe a good "Friday's Tip of the Week" would be to explain the five stretching options, and the situations where each option is most appropriate.



    Thumbs up on that idea!

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    Re: Tempo for samples 2017/08/29 16:14:03 (permalink)
    Thanks for the feedback, Steve. I do take requests, and I'll be here all week.

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    Re: Tempo for samples 2017/09/01 07:23:27 (permalink)
    Thanks so much, literally the control and shift shortcut is all I needed.
     
    Can't believe it was such a simple thing :)
     
    Thanks again
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    Re: Tempo for samples 2017/09/01 16:33:02 (permalink)
    AndertonMaybe a good "Friday's Tip of the Week" would be to explain the five stretching options, and the situations where each option is most appropriate.

     
    Please!

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    Re: Tempo for samples 2017/09/01 19:10:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Steve_Karl 2017/09/01 20:55:20
    MurkyMark
    AndertonMaybe a good "Friday's Tip of the Week" would be to explain the five stretching options, and the situations where each option is most appropriate.

     
    Please!




    It's there, let me know in that thread if you need me to elaborate on any of it. 

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