Quick Groups - Something to know only if you RTFM

I've been using quick groups for years now. They are intuitive, so no need to RTFM. Just hold CTRL and change settings in several selected console channels at the same.

Yesterday using quick groups it totally screwed up a mix. I had no idea why all the sudden some sends to reverb buses were fully open. Must be a bug of course! Since I could not reproduce easily, I hit the manual.

It turns out what I did not know is that if you touch a control that is not in one of the selected channels while still having your finger on CTRL, ALL channels are affected! So I must have briefly adjusted one of the barely open reverb sends from -55 to -45 which was not among the selected channels and it proportionally increased all the others ... meaning those that were at -10 ended up at +6 ...

From the manual:      

• If you adjust a control in a selected track, only selected tracks of the same type are affected.
• If you adjust a control in a non-selected track, all tracks are affected.

To use a Quick Group do one of the following:

• To adjust the same control in all tracks. Hold down the CTRL key and adjust a control in a track that is not selected. SONAR automatically adjusts the same control in all other tracks.
• To adjust the same control in selected tracks. Select the tracks you want to adjust, then hold down the CTRL key and adjust a control in any selected track. SONAR automatically adjusts the same control in all other selected tracks of the same type.

Reverb is cooool man. That's why they did it.

Does it change *every* track, or just the unselected ones? (which is what I thought it does)

I've been bitten by the exact same scenario Rob describes: accidentally moving the wrong control and thus inadvertently changing every track instead of just the selected group. After that happened a couple times, I got into the habit of double-checking to make sure I was touching a track within the selected group.
 
It's a great feature, and actually works in a very logical manner, but as with all conveniences and shortcuts there is the potential for calamity. This is what CTL-Z was invented for: human error!
 
(Although even CTL-Z can't always save you from inattentive operation. Or am I the only dufus who's ever accidentally deleted more than one track - and not noticed until after saving the project?)
 
 
 
 

The general idea behind the function of being able to hit CTRL + change a parameter and have it executed on the entire project is incredibly useful. Just scares the sh*t out of you if you do it accidentally and your entire project falls apart ( been there...) :)

Read The F***ing Manual... which I should do more often... I read this Forum instead.

I think now that part of the severity of the problem is a fundamentally changed "logic" when it cones to selecting tracks, clips etc.

There is almost always more selected than what I intended to. What took one click to select now takes 3. Way more mistakes happen because of this. Seriously considering rollback to a previous version ... which one would that be? 2017.06 or .05? When did they fiddle with this so badly?

Rob[atSound-Rehab]
There is almost always more selected than what I intended to. What took one click to select now takes 3.

Not sure I understand Rob, cant you just lift your finger off the CNTRL button for a second ?
 

 Note to self: RTFM for anything you might accidentally do before you accidentally do it. 

bapu
 Note to self: RTFM for anything you might accidentally do before you accidentally do it. 

That's a pretty big read nowadays! ;-)

If you adjust a control in a non-selected track, all tracks are affected
I've found that when you select this operation often not all the tracks are affected.

lapasoa
If you adjust a control in a non-selected track, all tracks are affected
I've found that when you select this operation often not all the tracks are affected.

It may be that Quick Grouping works only on tracks of the same type.