Helpful ReplyStripped Naked

Author
JohnKenn
Max Output Level: -58.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 1659
  • Joined: 2008/10/26 13:51:52
  • Status: offline
2017/09/05 23:51:41 (permalink)

Stripped Naked

Not me physical, but as close as it can be with my guitar. Naked truth in my face.
 
Often practice against an mp3 of something. Bit of compression, fuzz box, chorus or flanger nicely done. Background delay or a reverb. Noise gate where needed and some eq to match the file.
 
Sounds pretty dam good with all the coverup.
 
Only thing worse for me than trying to play without a pick is to overlay something with the axe completely dry.
 
Sounds terrible and has taken me more than a couple notches down. I know there is an art to using effects, but if the effects are gone and you have nothing left to hide lack of technique...
 
Anybody out there actually record and get a good sound with nothing added? Hell of a challenge when you got nothing to hide behind.
 
John
#1
lawajava
Max Output Level: -55 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 2040
  • Joined: 2012/05/31 23:23:55
  • Location: Seattle
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 00:10:18 (permalink)
I think Matthew McConaughey made another name for himself playing the congas naked. It might work for you too if you do more of it.

Two internal 2TB SSDs laptop stuffed with Larry's deals and awesome tools. Studio One is the cat's meow as a DAW now that I've migrated off of Sonar. Using BandLab Cakewalk just to grab old files when migrating songs.
#2
Linear Phase
Max Output Level: -53 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 2201
  • Joined: 2012/04/15 02:21:15
  • Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL USA
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 00:17:21 (permalink)
I've been know to hang around nude and jam out guitar (like in my own home, not like out playing a show or whatever)
 
I also record a lot of dry.   I use very minimal fx mixes in my tracks anyways - often just 10% on things like delay, reverb, chorus, phase, etc

too many lasers...






Sonar = audio editing ninja of a music software!

#3
craigb
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 41704
  • Joined: 2009/01/28 23:13:04
  • Location: The Pacific Northwestshire
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 00:19:27 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Linear Phase 2017/09/06 00:36:04
 

Hehe...  Reminds me of this!

 
Time for all of you to head over to Beyond My DAW!
#4
57Gregy
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 14404
  • Joined: 2004/05/31 17:04:17
  • Location: Raleigh, North Carolina
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 00:59:14 (permalink)
I recorded the guitar in my song "On The Beach" plugged directly into my interface with nothing added; no reverb, no delay or distortion, no flanger or chorus. Just me and my guitar.
A million and 1 punch-ins, though.

Greg 
I am selling my MIM Fender Stratocaster HSS, red and black. PM for more details.

Music Creator 2003, MC Pro 24, SONAR Home Studio 6 XL, SONAR  X3e, CbB, Focusrite Saffire, not enough space.
Everything is better with pie. 

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=609446
http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/gregfields 
#5
JohnKenn
Max Output Level: -58.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 1659
  • Joined: 2008/10/26 13:51:52
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 01:16:47 (permalink)
Thanks guys,
 
Lawa bringing up the ominous bottom line need for more practice in the dry mode. Painful but simple.
 
Howling away with some Staind song but only can do a few fragmented seconds where everything fits.
EQ and sustain the biggest hits for me devoid of my crutches. Raw guitar covers the whole eq spectrum and the digital completeness 20 to 20K doesn't fit into the jam. Good discipline to play different distances from the bridge to craft eq on the fly.
 
Was a much better guitarist when smothered and smeared in vague effects.
 
Orange sun in the sky out here. Smell of the fires in the air, but not yet at the warning level of severity about lack of breathable air.
 
Craig and Bit, hope you are okay being out here on the rim. Crap, dried fires here, drowning in water in the south east. If there were some way to just even it all out.
 
John
#6
michaelhanson
Max Output Level: -40 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3529
  • Joined: 2008/10/31 15:19:56
  • Location: Mesquite, Texas
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 02:45:43 (permalink)
Linear Phase
I've been know to hang around nude and jam out guitar (




Looks like you weren't the first.  
 


Mike

https://soundcloud.com/michaeljhanson
https://www.facebook.com/michaeljhanson.music
iTunes:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/scandalous-grace/id1180730765
 
Platinum Lifetime, Focusrite 8i6 & 2i4, Gibson LP, ES335, Fender Strat, 4003 Rickenbacker
BMI
#7
bitman
Max Output Level: -34 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4105
  • Joined: 2003/11/06 14:11:54
  • Location: Keystone Colorado
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 02:52:39 (permalink)
I do country where you have a tele, a dyna comp and maybe a delay. Anything else is heresy.
It's hard. I'm just a pretender.
 
#8
kennywtelejazz
Max Output Level: -3.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 7151
  • Joined: 2005/10/22 06:27:02
  • Location: The Planet Tele..X..
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 10:20:43 (permalink)
 
99% of my guitar playing for all my practice, learning , working on new music and just sitting here playing is done direct w no effects what so ever .
Usually while on the computer, I'm plugged into my sound card using head phones while just playing along to something  .
 
My other 2 modes of nakedness on the electric guitar are I like to play direct into my small Fender Champ Tube amp using only a guitar cable while playing at lower TV volumes . I keep my Champ at ear level right next to my favorite chair.
When I'm feeling to Lazy to hunt down a guitar cable I will just play a big Jazz box or a semi hollow body guitar w out the amp acoustically .
 
To tell you the truth I wasn't always this way . I sort of Morphed into this type of approach over a long period of time ...
 
Even though I have all these pedals and effects in both hardware and software form over here .
I have found for myself that I usually want to hear and play my guitar in it's most Natural Sounding state ...
 
 
As far as the other 1 % of the time goes ..watch out & duck for cover because that's when all the real trouble starts
 
all the best,
 
Kenny
 
 

                   
Oh Yeah , Life is Good .
The internet is nothing more than a glorified real time cartoon we all star in.
I play a "Gibson " R 8 Les Paul Cherry Sunburst .
The Love of my Life is an American Bulldog Named Duke . I'm currently running Cakewalk By BandLab as my DAW .
 
https://soundcloud.com/guitarist-kenny-wilson
 
https://www.youtube.com/user/Kennywtelejazz/videos?view=0&sort=dd&shelf_id=1
 
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=427899



#9
BobF
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 8124
  • Joined: 2003/11/05 18:43:11
  • Location: Missouri - USA
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 12:20:18 (permalink)
I agree with all of the above.  One thing that helps me tremendously is to have the guitar properly tuned and intonated.  These things drive me nuts when they aren't correct.  FX help cover up the flaws.
 
So for naked play, proper setup and tune-up is a must

Bob  --
Angels are crying because truth has died ...
Illegitimi non carborundum
--
Studio One Pro / i7-6700@3.80GHZ, 32GB Win 10 Pro x64
Roland FA06, LX61+, Fishman Tripleplay, FaderPort, US-16x08 + ARC2.5/Event PS8s 
Waves Gold/IKM Max/Nomad Factory IS3/K11U

#10
Mesh
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 27360
  • Joined: 2009/11/27 14:08:08
  • Location: Online right here!
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 13:51:55 (permalink)
Linear Phase
I've been know to hang around nude and jam out guitar


<<<note to self......don't ever, ever, ever borrow or use LP's guitars>>> 
 
BTW Bob, I tried that setup using the White Chanel (with the settings you suggested) before the amp sim, and got a very nice full bodied tone......my new (updated) setup.
 
Thanks and I appreciate the tip!!  

Platinum Gaming DAW: AsRock Z77 Overclock Formula
I7 3770k @ 4.5GHz : 16GB RAM G.Skill Ripjaws X
250GB OS SSD : 3TB HDD : 1TB Sample HDD
Win 10 Pro x 64 : NH-D14 CPU Cooler 
HIS IceQ  2GB HD 7870
Focusrite Scarlett 2i4
The_Forum_Monkeys
#11
Voda La Void
Max Output Level: -76 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 723
  • Joined: 2011/02/12 09:15:07
  • Location: Broken Arrow, OK
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 14:13:41 (permalink)
JohnKenn
 
Often practice against an mp3 of something. Bit of compression, fuzz box, chorus or flanger nicely done. Background delay or a reverb. Noise gate where needed and some eq to match the file.




Maybe it's just me, but that sure does sound like a lot of effects for general playing and practice.  I used to do that sort of thing when I first started - I remember falling in love with Chorus on my little Crate amp and never turned it off.  It was a big adjustment to realize I was ruining the point of effects - they were crutches now and hiding my sloppy playing.  
 
Now I just play through a Marshall valvestate with minimal distortion, dry but dialed in on the amp - and I still play sloppy, but much less so.  It doesn't take that long to rescue your ego from this discovery.  A couple of months playing dry and you'll back to top form and loving yourself and fantasizing about being interviewed on your technique and all around awesomeness.  

Voda La Void...experiments in disturbing frequencies...
#12
BobF
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 8124
  • Joined: 2003/11/05 18:43:11
  • Location: Missouri - USA
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 14:21:54 (permalink)
Mesh
Linear Phase
I've been know to hang around nude and jam out guitar


<<<note to self......don't ever, ever, ever borrow or use LP's guitars>>> 
 
BTW Bob, I tried that setup using the White Chanel (with the settings you suggested) before the amp sim, and got a very nice full bodied tone......my new (updated) setup.
 
Thanks and I appreciate the tip!!  




Cool.  Glad it worked for you.  That's what I came up by with following Craig's excellent article.

Bob  --
Angels are crying because truth has died ...
Illegitimi non carborundum
--
Studio One Pro / i7-6700@3.80GHZ, 32GB Win 10 Pro x64
Roland FA06, LX61+, Fishman Tripleplay, FaderPort, US-16x08 + ARC2.5/Event PS8s 
Waves Gold/IKM Max/Nomad Factory IS3/K11U

#13
Moshkito
Max Output Level: -37.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 3765
  • Joined: 2015/01/26 13:29:07
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 16:06:14 (permalink)
michaelhanson
...
Looks like you weren't the first.  
 





That album's name would be "FOUR VIRGINS", no?
 

Music is not about notes and chords! My poem is not about the computer or monitor or letters! It's about how I was able to translate it from my insides! 
#14
paulo
Max Output Level: -13 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 6218
  • Joined: 2007/01/30 05:06:57
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 21:47:03 (permalink)
Fake it 'til you make it.
 
 
#15
bapu
Max Output Level: 0 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 86000
  • Joined: 2006/11/25 21:23:28
  • Location: Thousand Oaks, CA
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/06 21:59:57 (permalink)
paulo
Fake it 'til you make it.
 
 


49 years for me so far.
#16
JohnKenn
Max Output Level: -58.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 1659
  • Joined: 2008/10/26 13:51:52
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/07 00:57:35 (permalink)
Always good advice here. Why I love hate this place. Voda's comments ring true as well as others.
My problem, been banging on guitars for over 50 years. Banging keyboards for over 60 years.
Longer doesn't mean better and often the opposite. Time invested does cultivate getting stuck in ruts that are hard to change.
Decades ago was actually one of the complete oddballs that tried to progress direct in when everyone else was micing the amps. Never learned how to mic an amp to my disadvantage.
 
Found a golden tone with a Ross compressor into an MXR distortion into a Ross flanger I had to modify to get wet/dry balance, into a Ross delay and then a noise gate. Delay hardware of the time was miserable with distortion and noise, but see that it is cool now. What I did was to use the effects as instruments, having to play them as much as the guitar.
 
Now revisiting the dry signal as a discipline. Direct in against a practice mp3 unfairly cursed because you got the mp3 with a limited bandwidth and the direct in 20 to 20k forking up everything in the soundscape.
 
Without the crutch of a line of effects, what you got is what you got, and in my case, it ain't that much.
 
Think Voda is correct that it will take a couple months.
 
John
#17
eph221
Max Output Level: -28.5 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 4665
  • Joined: 2014/12/22 05:06:50
  • Status: offline
Re: Stripped Naked 2017/09/07 02:15:30 (permalink)
lawajava
I think Matthew McConaughey made another name for himself playing the congas naked. It might work for you too if you do more of it.

I wish!

*Q-TIPS ARE FUZZY!!*
 Is a lumineer a new dental appliance?  
 
i7 2.5 ghz
32GB RAM
WINDOWS 10
My Ass
Cubase 9.5
 
#18
Jump to:
© 2024 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1