MIDI Controller Advice?

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2017/09/16 20:12:32 (permalink)

MIDI Controller Advice?

Looks like I need a new keyboard to control soft synths. Some keys have stopped working on my ancient Roland D-50. The battery went dead years ago and all the internal sounds were lost, so I use it only as a controller. I'm not a keyboard player. I just play chords and some percussion. As a guitarist, I know squat about MIDI, so my question is, what should I buy? Are there features I won't be able to live without, or features that I will never use? I'm used to the 61 keys on the D-50, and as a non-player I rely on the sustain pedal, so those are kind of my only requirements.
Awaiting enlightenment and guidance. Thanks!

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    mettelus
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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/16 22:56:20 (permalink)
    If you only use the keys (not controller functions), a simple controller with the number of keys you need is adequate. Keystations are about as generic as they come that I know of.

    I got an A300 Pro a while back and still only use the keys, two wheels, change midi channels, and shift octaves on it. No internal sounds, and the rest of the device is unused.

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/18 15:46:36 (permalink)
    Mine's an M-Audio Axiom 49 I got for REALLY cheap used in excellent condition. I think the larger versions have weighted keys, but either way this one is brilliant and very simple to use, with loads of functions - 8 pads, 8 knobs, 9 lides+ buttons, built-in octave shift and transpositions, playback buttons and pitch bend/mod wheels.

     
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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/18 19:51:40 (permalink)
    If you want a midi controllerthat feels like a piano and don't need all those pads, knobs, faders and buttons the Roland A-88 is hard to beat imho. I swapped my ageing Roland digital piano for one about six months ago and I really like it. Obviously it makes no sound unless you hook it up to a VST or a sound module (Roland do one for about £1200 bless their hearts - you can buy a lot of VSTs for that)!

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/18 21:51:03 (permalink)
    AndyB01
    If you want a midi controllerthat feels like a piano and don't need all those pads, knobs, faders and buttons the Roland A-88 is hard to beat imho.

    A-88 has Ivory Feel G Roland mechanics, the future development of PHA alpha II, so light mechanic. Its competition are other light actions (Fatar, Yamaha, Korg, Kawai and Casio). Not absolutely, but some people think it wins there. But not against in-house PHA II/III and all other heavier things (RH, GH, etc.)
    General statement "hard to beat" can not be applied to A-88, VPC-1 is the only portable MIDI keyboard with real piano mechanics. "Portable" does not mean light, 30kg (double A88 weight) is the price for all that wood... So "beat in which parameters" should be defined before the winner can be chosen
    All that is about hammer actions, so I guess off-topic...

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/18 22:41:24 (permalink)
    All fair points, these things are incredibly subjective although the A-88 is no lightweight at 27Kgs - although considerably more 'portable' than my old HP137 which was a real piece of furniture. All comes down to personal choice in the end.

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/19 09:00:33 (permalink)
    AndyB01
    All fair points, these things are incredibly subjective although the A-88 is no lightweight at 27Kgs

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    Kawai VPC-1 (RM3) 29.5 kg
    Studiologic SL88 (Fatar T40Wood) 20.8kg
    Roland A-88 (Roland G Feel) 15.9kg
    NI S88 (Fatar TP100?) 14.4 kg
    Yamaha P-45 (GHS) 11.kg
     

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/19 09:16:54 (permalink)
    I stand corrected - no idea where I got 27Kg from - takes some lifting on and off the stand that's all I know. 😂

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/19 09:16:54 (permalink)
    I stand corrected - no idea where I got 27Kg from - takes some lifting on and off the stand that's all I know. 😂

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/19 11:07:34 (permalink)
    I do not move mine so weight is not as big a consideration as footprint. As with the OP, it is just an ancillary piece of gear to me. 32 keys is sufficient for my usage and not in the way.

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/19 11:40:43 (permalink)
    AndyB01
    I stand corrected - no idea where I got 27Kg from - takes some lifting on and off the stand that's all I know. 😂

    Just to make it clear, my replies was not thought as offense, attempts to correct, etc. Please excuse me if from the text they can be perceived as such (English is not my native language).
     
    When I was looking for DP, then for MIDI controller(s) and later dealing with Control Surfaces, I have noticed that hardware producers tend to be inaccurate in technical specification. Especially common components and old technologies used in new products are normally not mentioned explicitly. That is fine and an obvious part of marketing, new product should be seen by potential customers as innovative, exclusive and the best overall. But I think for end users, it is good to know all these details. Normally the reality is not bad, just not as shiny as in official ads. 

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/19 12:16:52 (permalink)
    I'd also keep an eye on products which say they support Sonar.
    I recently bought an M-Audio Code 61 which for me is a lovely controller keyboard.
    However, I was a little disappointed that setup was a little long winded, and Sonar wasn't mentioned in the documentation. Fortunately the kind folks at this forum helped well enough with that and I'm happy with it all.

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/19 14:00:57 (permalink)
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    AndyB01
    I stand corrected - no idea where I got 27Kg from - takes some lifting on and off the stand that's all I know. 😂

    Just to make it clear, my replies was not thought as offense, attempts to correct, etc. Please excuse me if from the text they can be perceived as such (English is not my native language).


    None taken (offence I mean), your English looks pretty good from here. 😊

    When people are asking for advice, opinion is important but the information has to be accurate so you were right to call it out. Mea culpa (Latin not my first language) 😉

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/09/19 14:00:57 (permalink)
    Duplicate post

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    Larry Jones
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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/10/04 09:37:55 (permalink)
    Thank you everyone for all the advice. I've been away for a few weeks so didn't see most of these posts until now. I feel more confident in shopping for a new controller.

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    Re: MIDI Controller Advice? 2017/10/04 14:27:48 (permalink)
    I find you get used to the FEEL of certain keys and for me I like the Rolands just for that reason alone. It's like certain guitars I cannot play very well because they FEEL wrong. 
    I bought the A 49 because it does everything I need and takes up very little room. I find 49 keys is plenty and easy to move the octaves up and down. It was $120 , came with Sonar LE which gave me $100 off upgrading to X3 Studio. 

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