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[Solved] How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
Back in 8.5 and earlier, it was easy to insert a single CC event in the controller pane of the PRV, and each event had a handle for moving it around. Nowadays, it seems the only option is to draw a continuous series, with no grab handles. I've made do with that until today, but now I have a situation where I need to precisely place a pair of CC #1 events, one with a value of 127 followed by another with a value of 0, as a toggle. Editing a string of events down to two is a lot of work, is prone to error, and I have a lot of them to put in. Please tell me there's a secret option to go back to the old way of manually inserting single CCs.
post edited by bitflipper - 2017/09/20 15:59:25
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 14:18:20
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I don't do this much anymore but when all I used was MIDI I would often turn to the Event viewer for single CC's rather than the PRV.
I'm guessing that you must have already considered this and do not like using Event viewer for some reason.
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 14:43:41
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/09/20 15:03:48
Hey Bit, I must be missing something because I know you know your stuff, and it seems pretty simple to do what you want. Use the Pencil tool and click where you want the CC event (look at the velocity scale on the side if you need to choose a specific velocity). To change the position (move sideways) or value (move up and down), click on the top of the event with the Move or Smart tool, then drag left/right or up/down respectively.
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 15:36:28
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Drawing a single CC with the pencil has become difficult. If not impossible. They changed things.
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 15:41:06
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Drawing a single CC with the pencil has become difficult. If not impossible. They changed things.
I think you feel this way because the Smart Tool defaults to looking like the pencil tool, but it works only for drawing controllers freehand. If you choose the dedicated pencil tool, you'll find it's super-easy to draw individual controller events.
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 15:58:49
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BINGO! Craig, you nailed it. I thought I was using the pencil tool, because of the pencil icon.
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 16:02:50
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I think the problem is if you take the smart tool into the control area and single click where you want to add a new CC, nothing happens. To actually create a point (with the Smart Tool) you have to move the mouse and no matter how careful I am that means it will generate at least two points. If you switch to the pencil and single click it seems to work better. The Smart Tool isn't very smart, perhaps it should support single click creation?
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 16:09:37
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Like maybe holding down the ctl key while clicking?
I also miss the little grab handle at the top of the event. That was useful when tweaking a hand-drawn pitch envelope, which I use a lot for faux guitar bends and slides. The current method makes precise horizontal movement clumsy, e.g. placing a zero value immediately before the next note when inserting a note-to-note slide.
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 16:17:15
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Yeah, here too... i go to the event list editor to do the single point inserts and back to prv for any other edits...
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 16:30:29
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Event list is great for one-off events, like initializing a filter at the start or sticking in a patch change.
But my scenario was editing a large number of Leslie fast/slow toggles in an existing organ track. I wanted to switch from a soft synth (VB3) to an external synth (Korg Kronos) that uses 127/0 pairs of CC#1 events to toggle the Leslie effect. That scheme works fine for live playing thanks to the Kronos' spring-loaded joystick, but it's a buggar to program into the PRV. I tried recording the Leslie switches in real time, but working the joystick without playing is surprisingly clumsy and imprecise, and difficult to edit afterward.
Ultimately, I said f*ch it and went back to the VB3. A friend is waiting on this organ part, which I sort of promised last Saturday.
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 16:57:55
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CAL is one way to alternate values. Select the clips and run this
;; alternate CC1 between 0 and 127
(do
(int setHi 1) ; flag used to set CC value to 0 or 127
(forEachEvent
(if (&& (== Event.Kind CONTROL) (== Control.Num 1))
(if setHi
(do
(= Control.Val 127)
(= setHi 0))
(do
(= Control.Val 0)
(= setHi 1))
)
)
)
)
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Re: How to insert a single CC event in the PRV?
2017/09/20 17:01:40
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bitflipper
I also miss the little grab handle at the top of the event. That was useful when tweaking a hand-drawn pitch envelope, which I use a lot for faux guitar bends and slides. The current method makes precise horizontal movement clumsy, e.g. placing a zero value immediately before the next note when inserting a note-to-note slide.
Again, maybe I don't understand the exact problem but if you use the Move tool to click on the top of an event where a handle would be, you can move up/down/left/right. For left/right it can snap to the current MIDI snap value, but you can place it anywhere if you don't want it to snap.
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