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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 04:49:30 (permalink)
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I was thinking while I was reading (well skimming through) that thread that if CW stopped support today, I could still gone on for years and never outgrow what I have now.


Until Windows creates an update that makes Sonar unusable. 


 
I have Win10 Pro. I can keep the updates from happening till I am ready. At least for a few months. I forget how long it can go.
 
However, I can keep the updates off permanently if I want. Just unplug the WiFi! : )
 
It's really a choice we all can make if we just want to do it. Just keep the system as it is today. I have Win 10 installed on my music PC and I don't sign into my windows account on it. Don't want it to sync with my home PC.

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 04:58:40 (permalink)
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I was thinking while I was reading (well skimming through) that thread that if CW stopped support today, I could still gone on for years and never outgrow what I have now.




 The same with Acid Pro.  Despite being 32 bit I may do a project in it.

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 04:59:46 (permalink)
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He says in the "SONAR" forum thread, that he was fired.
Hmmmm.....this thing can go either way at this point.
I kind of smell a total overhaul coming to the SONAR brand and product. 
Hoping for the best.
 
Craig was a humongous contributor to the brand (SONAR) and the forum.




I didn't see that and I doubt it.
 

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 05:02:14 (permalink)
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 The same with Acid Pro.  Despite being 32 bit I may do a project in it.




I still have and use Cool Edit 2K! I also have the last version of Audition that Adobe put out prior to going subscription. But I still rather use CE2K. 

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 05:03:04 (permalink)
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He says in the "SONAR" forum thread, that he was fired.
Hmmmm.....this thing can go either way at this point.
I kind of smell a total overhaul coming to the SONAR brand and product. 
Hoping for the best.
 
Craig was a humongous contributor to the brand (SONAR) and the forum.




I didn't see that and I doubt it.
 




 
Agreed.

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 05:33:49 (permalink)
If theyre fireing Craig Im sure more bad things are coming.
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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 13:26:25 (permalink)
To be clear, the fact that he was fired is a fact.  There's a link in this very thread (previous page) to the post where he says it.
 
Here's the quote:
 
"Well to be clear it wasn't my decision, I was fired but frankly, it felt more like I was graduating. It's time to move to another level that would not have been possible had I remained part of Gibson. It will be interesting to see what's in store. I know the music industry will be happy to have access to me again. I also hope to continue consulting to Gibson,  there are great people there making some truly wonderful products. Consulting to Gibson is how I got involved with the company in the first place."
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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 13:38:11 (permalink)
I'd only be concerned if he'd used the term "laid off". Been there, and I know what that means. It means dump your Gibson stock, quick. I still have a stack of worthless paper that represents the mortal remains of the last company I worked for.


All else is in doubt, so this is the truth I cling to. 

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 13:38:33 (permalink)
I just can't imagine why Gibson would want to fire someone as valuable as Craig.....I would've thought he'd be on the priority list as a "keeper".

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 13:59:23 (permalink)
He writes for a living and he uses Sonar. We will hear from him.

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 17:59:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/10/20 16:59:51
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I just can't imagine why Gibson would want to fire someone as valuable as Craig.....I would've thought he'd be on the priority list as a "keeper".



When you start cutting costs, the ones that are the "most expendable" are the first to go.
Granted, he contributed a great deal to the community, but he wasn't "instrumental" in
keeping the product line "functional".  So, most likely, they were looking at ways to reduce
their bottom line without affecting the product.  Just a thought


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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 18:31:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/10/19 18:32:02
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I just can't imagine why Gibson would want to fire someone as valuable as Craig.....I would've thought he'd be on the priority list as a "keeper".



When you start cutting costs, the ones that are the "most expendable" are the first to go.
Granted, he contributed a great deal to the community, but he wasn't "instrumental" in
keeping the product line "functional".  So, most likely, they were looking at ways to reduce
their bottom line without affecting the product.  Just a thought


Good points there Lars....I was thinking being a valuable asset to the community = getting more people into Sonar = functional?
Then again, I know Bo Diddly about business and just hang out in the Deals Forum for no brainers.  

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 22:33:16 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bapu 2017/10/20 17:00:10
I know Bo.
Diddly's my middle name.

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/19 23:26:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/10/19 23:53:51
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I just can't imagine why Gibson would want to fire someone as valuable as Craig.....I would've thought he'd be on the priority list as a "keeper".




Unfortunately, there is a HUGE distinction between 'tangible' and 'intangible'.  Most of us admire and are grateful  to Craig for his 'intangible' contributions.  That's not to say that those contributions aren't valuable to us, just that the bean counters can't easily quantify those contributions in terms of $$ added to the bottom line.
 
I'm not sure how much of Craig's official responsibilities to Gibson had FA to do with Cakewalk either.
 
From OUR perspective as SONAR users, Craig's contributions are invaluable.  I'm not sure the same could be said from the perspective of a Gibson CEO.  We have no idea what the expectations were.
 
Personally, I figger Craig's  contributions to the SONAR community amounted to approx. 25% of my commitment to the product.  In practical terms, that means I'm 25% closer to bailing - depending on how much Craig continues to contribute to the SONAR community.
 
Considering that CS support is 25%, that's not insignificant.
 
Who knows what the future holds for SONAR specifically and Cakewalk in general.  I keep hanging on for some big surprise that pulls it all together, but I don't think the Momentum is there.  I guess we'll see.  Time answers all questions. 
 
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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/20 09:29:00 (permalink)
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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/20 12:26:03 (permalink)
Yes Bob, what Kenny said.
 
Looks like we're tangled up in this web between the tangible and intangible......
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/20 16:46:50 (permalink)
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He says in the "SONAR" forum thread, that he was fired.
Hmmmm.....this thing can go either way at this point.
I kind of smell a total overhaul coming to the SONAR brand and product. 
Hoping for the best.
 
Craig was a humongous contributor to the brand (SONAR) and the forum.




I didn't see that and I doubt it.
 


Funny.
It's there to be seen.
Oh, but you didn't see it, so it's not true, even though he wrote it.
 
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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/20 16:48:45 (permalink)
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KingsMix
He says in the "SONAR" forum thread, that he was fired.
Hmmmm.....this thing can go either way at this point.
I kind of smell a total overhaul coming to the SONAR brand and product. 
Hoping for the best.
 
Craig was a humongous contributor to the brand (SONAR) and the forum.




I didn't see that and I doubt it.
 




 
Agreed.


Funny.
It's there to be seen.
Oh, but you "also" didn't see it, so it's not true, even though he wrote it.
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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/20 20:07:43 (permalink)
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I just can't imagine why Gibson would want to fire someone as valuable as Craig.....I would've thought he'd be on the priority list as a "keeper".



When you start cutting costs, the ones that are the "most expendable" are the first to go.
Granted, he contributed a great deal to the community, but he wasn't "instrumental" in
keeping the product line "functional".  So, most likely, they were looking at ways to reduce
their bottom line without affecting the product.  Just a thought




It was a shocker for sure!
 
But as Craig has mentioned a few times, he was a Gibson employee, not a Cakewalk employee.
 
Gibson has some work to do as a business to get out of a major debt hole that they are sinking into.  They are at risk of defaulting on their creditors.  So cost cutting is probably their only workable strategy in order to attempt to keep the business intact.

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/20 23:11:51 (permalink)
That's who I was speaking of...not Cakewalk, but, in 
his capacity at Gibson, who owns Cakewalk, he worked
primarily as a Cakewalk representative


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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/20 23:54:29 (permalink)
I hate to speculate, but this sounds like Gibson may be in deep $hit now.  Why else would they want to cut Craig loose?
 
If Gibson ends up in the hands of it's creditors, the kids may be farmed out to foster parents...

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/21 00:22:37 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/10/21 00:52:23
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That's who I was speaking of...not Cakewalk, but, in 
his capacity at Gibson, who owns Cakewalk, he worked
primarily as a Cakewalk representative



Actually that is not at all true. I did a lot of CW stuff on weekends and evenings...kind of a hobby.
 
I fulfilled many tasks at Gibson...
 
  • Lots of videos for KRK, including the marquee one on the V-Series speakers.
  • Ad copy for KRK and Cerwin-Vega, as well as Cerwin-Vega videos for the P-series speakers.
  • Representing Gibson on various industry executive boards.
  • Was heavily involved in four mergers and acquisitions, including Cakewalk.
  • The sample library that's being shipped with 2017.10...I put together that deal.
  • Assisted Henry in some negotiations with the Chinese government re manufacturing facilities.
  • Helped bring Harmony Central back from the dead after GC almost killed it. It's grown 29% over last year, the newsletter has gone from 24,000 to 91,000 opt-in subscribers, and the site manages over $40K of digital advertising.
  • I developed the transient suppressor circuit for the Les Paul Standard, and the switchable wiring in the control cavity was my idea.
  • I assigned two patents to Gibson, one with telecommunications applications.
  • Wrote press releases, and a lot of content about the guitars.
  • Did owner's manuals for the automatic tuning.
  • Provided the sales people with key selling points for various products.
  • Put together the slide shows that looped in the background at trade shows.
 
That's the tip of the iceberg, but you get the idea. I also worked on licensing and ran Entertainment Relations for six months. 
 
So basically you can think of what I did as being the corporate equivalent of a utility infielder. I was stretched pretty thin. Gibson wants to get a full-time infield, which makes me more or less superfluous.
 
There are no hard feelings, I'm on the top of the list of people they'd like to re-hire someday in a different capacity, and there's already talk of my doing some consulting.

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/21 00:40:54 (permalink)
My mistake.  I thought you served in some capacity as a 
Cakewalk Rep...sorry


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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/21 00:41:47 (permalink)
The dude abides.

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/21 00:50:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/10/21 00:51:50
Yup, Craig is most certainly "The Dude"!!!

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Re: Anderton is leaving apparently 2017/10/21 03:23:48 (permalink)
I just never could understand where he got all the time to do all what he did for us here on the forum, and do his music gig too!!

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