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2017/10/22 23:40:42 (permalink)

Porcupine Tree

I like Porcupine Tree.  They go deep into the morass, and they run some heavy current.  Hope they do some stuff together soon 

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/23 10:12:31 (permalink)
    Check out Steven Wilson's solo material if you're not already familiar with that. I like Porcupine Tree but Wilson's couple latest solo albums are just something. Hand Cannot Erase would be a good place to start.

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/23 10:26:22 (permalink)
    PT haven't created anything new since 2010.
     
    SW is never clear, when asked, whether PT will get back together again, sometimes saying they may, sometimes saying "you'd be waiting for a long time, that band doesn't exist anymore."

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/23 15:59:27 (permalink)
    I've got all his solo stuff - haven't listened to all of it, but I agree that it's good.  I remember hearing Luminol a couple of years ago and thinking, "This is good!".  I'm trying to put together a drum kit in Addictive Drums that emulates Gavin Harrison's kit...that's a project by itself.  

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/23 16:09:35 (permalink)
    He's had his hand in a lot of projects...No Man is one I like...His solo stuff is good, but it's not PT.  I wouldn't totally rule it out, but he's out there working with other musicians, and that's a positive for the industry, I think.

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/23 16:29:14 (permalink)
    For a few years folks were telling me they thought I would like PT, and I kept meaning to check them out, but just didn't get around to it. Then I managed to somehow hear a preview of "Time Flies" just before "The Incident" came out. So I grabbed a copy as soon as it hit the shelves, really liked it, then went out & got a bunch of earlier albums, and I like them all. I still don't have the really early stuff, nor do I have all of Steven's solo stuff, but I'll keep chipping away at it.
     
    This somehow led me to reading up on Gavin Harrison, which in turn led me to OSI, who I also like a lot. I started with the first album Gavin played on (Blood) and worked backwards with them, too. Both of these bands inspired me to move beyond the all-instrumental direction I had been going, and while my singing is very minimalist, it has given me a slightly wider fan base. (I had 3, now I'm up to 5, I think. )
     
    Anyway, I like the way PT manages to incorporate long, interesting instrumental passages with lots of texture, voicings, & dynamics into so many of their tunes. Lots of cool counterpoint with both vocals & instruments, good lyrics, & more, there is just so much to like. When I'm feeling non-creative I will pop on a PT album as inspiration. Usually, it helps.

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/23 17:07:50 (permalink)
    I do the same thing.  The early PT stuff is really good, but I think Deadwing is their best.  Just my opinion.

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/23 17:09:59 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    I think that PT is done, since Steven seems to be doing fairly well barefoot on the stage and looking cool in his glasses, and giving Snoopy a run for his money!
     
    The latest album, has a lot of moments that sound like PT, but as I listen to the things he did in HCE and the latest album, I am inclined to think that he does not want to go back to PT ... which was his band from the start anyway ... remember it was all cassettes in the garage that he made that started the band.
     
    He's still doing that, is my way of looking at it ... but I'm not sure he is wanting to share the space with the others right now ... Richard's last two solos are really fine, and I have not listened to Colin's and Gavin has been way too busy with King Crimson.
     
    Steven's show here in Portland ... what ... 6 months ago? Can't even remember ... was very good, but the real star of the show was the bass player Nick Beggs ... and what massive sound and power and quality ... it kinda made SW seem like just another rock'n'roller ... and I think that if it were me, I would not let go of Nick's addition to the band, and the quality of the work. And that's not to say that Colin is not good enough, but what Nick brings to the table is probably more useful to SW's work, in general, I seem to think. Ohhhh  ... btw, the lead guitar? Mr. Killmeister ... that had been doing his Gilmour homework thing with Roger's The Wall! So, at the very least, two other musicians were top knotch quality ... but, I do miss Richard's atmospheric keyboards ... they were/are way too nice.
     
    It's a shame that "The Incident" was not thought of as a good album, it was very good, but not a preferred one compared to the earlier trippy stuff ... this one was much too much rock/metal defined, and I think that some fans were not turned on. SW on his own, is more about SONGS and not necessarily any trippy stuff ... but the latest album had bits and pieces of PT in it, and I thought it might bring him back to the others, but I am not sure it will happen ... Gavin is still tied up with KC, and the last thing SW wants to do is not let RF play out his heart the last few years of his life before he retires!
     
    PT/SW will still have 20 years after that, I'm sure!

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/23 17:22:18 (permalink)
    Hi,
     
    My introduction to PT ... was rather unusual. I knew nothing about them, and had never heard any of it, except that my old friend was at the show in SF 1999 (Progressive Music Show at the palace of Fine Arts), and he said that it was something like a PF for the 90's ... so I said OK.
     
    I was an "official" photographer for the show, and Steven Wilson got all shook up, and spoke loudly ... no pictures of us or our show ... even without saying please. Pictures on my website.
     
    The band arrived at noon on Sunday, and Richard's Prophet 5 had taken a bad spill in the airport, and they opened it up on the floor in the back, while bands did a sound check, for over 2 hours, and they could not find what they wanted on a Radio Shack or equivalent ... and Richard gave up. I took a picture of Richard ... he spent more than 2 hours backstage, while two other bands played, and setup replacement synths for what he needed to do. Their show went on and it was magnificent, and SW did make a comment about the keyboards not being perfect, but I can tell you that the show was magnificent. With one bad problem ... a roadie was upset and walking up and down and complaining about how bad PT sounded ... and 45 minutes into it, in front of the producer when we were talking about it ... and I finally said ... leave the theater ... you have no taste in music and if you had never heard the band, they sound excellent. He left probably because he was in front of the producer and did not want to cause a scene ... and PT continued to play just fine and did a very long piece for an encore, which was like 20 minutes if my memory is right ... alas ... no pictures.
     
    After PT ... Magma in their first American concert! What a treat it was!

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/23 18:16:46 (permalink)
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    I do the same thing.  The early PT stuff is really good, but I think Deadwing is their best.  Just my opinion.




    I typically rotate my opinion on which one is best, lol. Must be tied into my moods or something. I kind of do the same thing with most artists. Maybe I'm just fickle?

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/24 10:49:20 (permalink)
    My introduction to PT was In Absentia quickly followed by Sky Moves Sideways, so a bit of new and a bit of old. I then got Coma Divine and Signify.
     
    Saw them live about four times, as and when they bothered coming to Manchester. I wish that I had now travelled further afield...
     
    I then bought Deadwing as soon as it was released, and, following that, FOABP, Nil Recurring, and The Incident.
     
    I also bought some more of their back catalogue including Lightbulb Sun and Voyage 34.
     
    Don't have a favourite, such is the variation of each album... Depends what mood I am in...
     
    Great stuff though and, as a live band, they will be sorely missed in our household (my missus is a big fan too).

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/24 15:19:18 (permalink)
    I still haven't heard probably 50% of their material because I've bought the LP's only.  I will do more checking.  What really impresses me is the level of professionalism all along the signal chain, from the instruments up to the mastering.  That seems to be one of the band's best features.
    In the end, it's all about the proficiency of the musicians...It helps me to understand songwriting and my own limitations there, but it also provides me with a model of excellence to try and emulate.  My guess is that there are a lot of us who wonder what's happening in the field of prog (because there aren't that many bands I know of who have really pushed the envelope), but we will all be better off after Porcupine Tree.  IMHO.

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/24 19:52:49 (permalink)
    I've tried to like them, I really have. People who know far more than I ever will about music keep telling me how good they are.
     
    Mostly I get bored after three tracks.
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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/10/24 20:05:03 (permalink)
    Hey Paulo, try this out:
     

    (NOT Prog!)

     
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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/01 23:32:53 (permalink)
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    Hey Paulo, try this out:
     

    (NOT Prog!)




    Hmmm......quite like that on quick first listen. Have bookmarked for closer listening when time permits. 
     
    What's the PT connection ?
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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/01 23:46:17 (permalink)
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    Hey Paulo, try this out:
     

    (NOT Prog!)




    Hmmm......quite like that on quick first listen. Have bookmarked for closer listening when time permits. 
     
    What's the PT connection ?




    Maybe "Paulo Try?" 
     
    The connection is to see if it's something you like (based on various comments I've seen from you) compared to PT which you find a bit boring.

     
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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/02 00:01:16 (permalink)
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    Hey Paulo, try this out:
     

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    Hmmm......quite like that on quick first listen. Have bookmarked for closer listening when time permits. 
     
    What's the PT connection ?




    Maybe "Paulo Try?" 
     
    The connection is to see if it's something you like (based on various comments I've seen from you) compared to PT which you find a bit boring.




    OIC - I was expecting it to be an example of a PT track that wasn't a bit boring, so it threw me a bit when it didn't appear to be anything to do with them.
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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/02 14:00:32 (permalink)
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    I've tried to like them, I really have. People who know far more than I ever will about music keep telling me how good they are.
     
    Mostly I get bored after three tracks.




    This perfectly sums up my own reaction to PT.
     
    And yet I think SW's Hand.Cannot.Erase is a masterpiece that I use as a mastering reference and haven't gotten tired of it after many listens.
     
    But I'm willing to give PT another chance. What album would fans suggest to a skeptic?


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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/02 14:03:36 (permalink)
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    But I'm willing to give PT another chance. What album would fans suggest to a skeptic?




    Hmmm... Good question...
     
    My starting point was In Absentia.
     
    But I think that perhaps Deadwing would be better...

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/02 16:00:02 (permalink)
    Mind.Cannot.Tell.The.Difference

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/02 22:32:29 (permalink)
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    bitflipper
     
    But I'm willing to give PT another chance. What album would fans suggest to a skeptic?




    Hmmm... Good question...
     
    My starting point was In Absentia.
     
    But I think that perhaps Deadwing would be better...

    Agree on Deadwing - Lazarus and Mellotron Scratch as good or better than anything Steven Wilson has done solo since. Also Arriving Somewhere but not Here....
    Good stuff.

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/03 13:27:49 (permalink)
    I looked up Deadwing on Amazon. Is this a rare out-of-print album? One seller is asking $50 for the CD, another is asking $120. WTF? I prefer to buy CDs and rip them as FLACs for my portable player, but I'm used to paying ten bucks for them.
     
    At least I'm not looking for vinyl, they want $1,400 for that!


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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/03 13:33:46 (permalink)
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    I looked up Deadwing on Amazon. Is this a rare out-of-print album? One seller is asking $50 for the CD, another is asking $120. WTF? I prefer to buy CDs and rip them as FLACs for my portable player, but I'm used to paying ten bucks for them.
     
    At least I'm not looking for vinyl, they want $1,400 for that!




    Amazing...
     
    On amazon.co.uk I can get the mp3 album for £8
     
    Or, even better, flac for £6 from Burning Shed:-
     
    https://burningshed.com/pt_deadwing_flac?filter_name=deadwing&filter_sub_category=true
     
     

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/04 09:53:54 (permalink)
    That's insane. I purchased Deadwing a few years ago from Amazon.ca for $16-18ish Cdn. This morning it's $60. 
    Looks like it's consistently priced high everywhere - 
    Porcupine Tree compilations are all over the place - the band has not been together in years but there are still newer releases and compilations. Oh to be Steven Wilson.

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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/04 15:57:25 (permalink)
    Maybe it's a sign of things to come. CDs will become prohibitively expensive, allowing the price of MP3s to rise to what used to be normal for hard media.
     
    Thanks for that Burning Shed link, synkrotron. I've been put off by the high prices charged for hi-fi downloads. This one appears to be legit, but I suspect that some of them are outright ripoffs. I mean, when you see a 96 KHz 24-bit offering for $30 you have to wonder: what was the source? Were they all copied from original masters? Or did somebody just rip a CD to take advantage of gullible audiophiles?


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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/04 16:05:03 (permalink)
    Hi bit,
     
    I can vouch for Burning Shed and I've bought CD's off them before.
     
    One of the founders of that label is Tim Bowness who is a friend of Steve Wilson. They also act as a store front for bands like King Crimson... And there is another connection there in that Steve Wilson is a massive fan of Fripp.
     
    So, yeah, Burning Shed, despite the strange name, can be trusted.
     
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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/04 16:36:09 (permalink)
    +1 for Burning Shed, Big Big Train sell their stuff through that site and I recently bought the CIRCU5 album there.

     
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    Re: Porcupine Tree 2017/11/05 00:32:16 (permalink)
    Yes, Burning Shed are legit.

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