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2017/10/27 15:47:58 (permalink)

60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price?

I've been running update free of about 8 months, get an email that the year's updates are 60% off and figure "why not, sure none of the recent features are useful to me but what the heck."
 
Log into the site and it's still $199.
 
What's up with the bait and switch Cakewalk?
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/27 16:35:22 (permalink)
$499 - 60% = $199
They always count from the FULL price now, even for updates. They is why in price details you can see

After your first 12 months of free updates on your new purchase of SONAR, you can buy another 12 months of updates for at least 50% off the regular price of SONAR.

60% is more that 50%. Effectively, you "save" 10% compare to the regular update price.
 

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/27 17:15:05 (permalink)
Jacking the price up to $499 to give a 60% discount to the same price it's always been is ****.
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/27 18:37:13 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SergeQ 2017/10/27 22:23:46
gprokap
I've been running update free of about 8 months, get an email that the year's updates are 60% off and figure "why not, sure none of the recent features are useful to me but what the heck."
Log into the site and it's still $199.
What's up with the bait and switch Cakewalk?



Hi Gordon,
There is no attempt on our part to make you feel like this is a bait and switch. Sorry if something we did came off that way but here are the details. 
 
SONAR Platinum is normally $499 and the renewal is normally 50% off at $250. We are currently running a deal to make the renewal price better than normal for Halloween till 11/1.
 
You may have seen that we ran a previous deal to get SONAR Platinum for $399 a while back. That was also a special deal for a limited time and is not the normal retail price.
 
Till 11/1 You'll be able to get 60% off SONAR renewals instead of the normal 50% off. I hope this helps answer any questions you had.

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/27 22:20:58 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby SergeQ 2017/10/27 22:24:15
The exact verbiage in the offer is is "SAVE 60% OFF ANOTHER YEAR OF SONAR ROLLING UPDATES" 
 
This is bait and switch - plain an simple.
 
A year of rolling updates is $250 - NOT $499.  60% off $250 would be $100, and what I'd be willing to pay.
 
 
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/27 22:43:33 (permalink)
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The exact verbiage in the offer is is "SAVE 60% OFF ANOTHER YEAR OF SONAR ROLLING UPDATES" 
 
This is bait and switch - plain an simple.
 
A year of rolling updates is $250 - NOT $499.  60% off $250 would be $100, and what I'd be willing to pay.



Hi Gordon,
 
I understand how this can be confusing to see if you already know that another year of updates is 50% off. We'll try to be more straight forward in the future.

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/27 23:37:14 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby coolbass 2017/10/28 00:22:57
Does anyone at Cakewalk actually believe someone would pay 250$ for a years worth of updates?????
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 00:25:15 (permalink)
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Does anyone at Cakewalk actually believe someone would pay 250$ for a years worth of updates?????




 
It could be is something killer was included, but there hasn't been anything in the releases since I've been "free-loading" that's worth paying for.   Ymmmv of course.
 
$100?   sure.  I'll throw down more than that on whiskey this weekend. 
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 00:29:55 (permalink)
I think the LP EQ and the LP MB would easily go for that price with another company.
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 00:32:33 (permalink)
Man, I'm SO glad I got the lifetime updates now.  I wasn't sure then, but I am now.

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 00:40:30 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/10/28 00:41:33
Nothing personal, and I'm not personally attacking any single individual.  But I am constantly amazed at how people can find anything and everything to complain about.   Cakewalk offers discounts, but it's not good enough for people.  They offer lifetime updates, the offer wasn't long enough for some people.  They offer updates every month, people complain that they are a few days late or the updates don't have enough "good stuff" in them.

Cakewalk offers some of the best DAW software on the market, and offers it's customers some of the best deals, including free third-party plugins.  I bet people would still find a way to complain if they gave it all away for free.

No one is forcing these sales on you.  Either take the offer or find another software company that you think offers better deals.  But PLEASE enough with the ****ing and complaining.  Cakewalk is a fair and reputable company that I've never known to try and cheat their customers.  But they are however a commercial company that obviously needs to make a profit to continue selling their products.  Sales and advertising are the best ways to continue to make profits.  This isn't a charity organization.

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 00:43:57 (permalink)
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Nothing personal, and I'm not personally attacking any single individual.  But I am constantly amazed at how people can find anything and everything to complain about.   Cakewalk offers discounts, but it's not good enough for people.  They offer lifetime updates, the offer wasn't long enough for some people.  They offer updates every month, people complain that they are a few days late or the updates don't have enough "good stuff" in them.

Cakewalk offers some of the best DAW software on the market, and offers it's customers some of the best deals, including free third-party plugins.  I bet people would still find a way to complain if they gave it all away for free.

No one is forcing these sales on you.  Either take the offer or find another software company that you think offers better deals.  But PLEASE enough with the ****ing and complaining.  Cakewalk is a fair and reputable company that I've never known to try and cheat their customers.  But they are however a commercial company that obviously needs to make a profit to continue selling their products.  Sales and advertising are the best ways to continue to make profits.  This isn't a charity organization.

(An unpaid for, unsolicited comment from a loyal customer)



I'm happy with Cakewalk and SONAR, but I'm still glad I got the lifetime updates when the offer came.  Turns out to be a heck of a deal really.

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 02:14:00 (permalink)
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<Bunch of sycophantic fanboi-isms.>

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So how much did it cost to get your lips surgically removed from their arse?
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 02:15:15 (permalink)
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<Bunch of sycophantic fanboi-isms.>

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So how much did it cost to get your lips surgically removed from their arse?


You always need to flame someone who disagrees with you?
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 02:18:27 (permalink)
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<Bunch of sycophantic fanboi-isms.>

(An unpaid for, unsolicited comment from a loyal customer)


So how much did it cost to get your lips surgically removed from their arse?


You always need to flame someone who disagrees with you?




Is this not the internet?
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 02:24:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby RSMCGUITAR 2017/10/28 02:24:34
Yes but in this little corner of it, you are expected to conduct yourself appropriately. Please refrain from personal attacks.
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 02:47:54 (permalink)
I would have paid anybody $250.00 for a daw that could make the timing grid follow pre-recorded free style (sloppy) guitar tempo. Cakewalk did. Via Melodyne essential, but they did. easy peasy too.
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 03:24:11 (permalink)
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<Bunch of sycophantic fanboi-isms.>

(An unpaid for, unsolicited comment from a loyal customer)


So how much did it cost to get your lips surgically removed from their arse?


You always need to flame someone who disagrees with you?




Is this not the internet?


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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/28 07:57:35 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby coolbass 2017/10/28 14:04:05
Hi there:)
 
I'm updating Cakewalk since I've found Shareware Version 0.97, so I would like to have Updates for free now
 
Just a joke, but 250 € every year is too much I think!
 
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/29 23:19:14 (permalink)
I just got the newest version of Steinberg Wave lab Pro upgrade for $59.00 Steinberg Cubase 9.5 was only $99.00 and My Pro Tools Perpetual license annual Updates are only $99.00 . WTF  I guess Henry thinks his software is worth as much as his Guitars .  Sonar Crashes every day ,,,, Why?  its less compatible with third party plugins than any other  DAW that I have . Go ahead and  keep turning up the heat and I will jump out of the boiling water .  Until Sonar Platinum is $99.00 a year I will just go back to Pro Tools or Cubase or Studio One  I can afford that. Beat detective smokes audio snap anyway. If I Open and close 4 projects in a row my Sonar crashes until I reboot the computer. I don't support Steven Slates monthly subscription model either ...... subscription models only benefit the companies ..... Sorry but if every plugin and DAW I use is a monthly lease I would be paying $800.00 a month to rent software . F___ that. 

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/30 10:07:18 (permalink)
Actually to get nearly all the features of Sonar Platinum you’d have to buy PT HD and that’s $399/ year. I know because I do. To make matters worse I get a suite of plugins along with that too. Great, but if I decide not to update then I lose use of those plugins. Bad luck if any of my projects used them.

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/30 12:42:31 (permalink)
Nobody is forcing updates, which are the only "subscription" part.  If you think they're too expensive (like i do), then don't buy them!  
As mentioned above, Cakewalk is a company that needs to turn a profit to keep producing a great DAW.  So they're free to charge whatever they feel is appropriate.  Whining about it won't do any good, especially here on a User Forum.  
The beauty of free-market capitalism is that if you don't like this DAW, you're free to take your business elsewhere.  Maybe you'll find something that suits you better, maybe you won't.
 

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/30 15:44:07 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby coolbass 2017/10/30 18:02:01
First year of Sonar Platinum rolling updates were only $149.00
Second year it was $199.00 , now its $249.00 .....so will it be
$299.00 next year $349.99 the year after that,,,, and you will say ... but they improved the LP EQ and the LP Multi comp .  I been using Cakewalk since 1996 ... I stuck with it because that's what I know and I'm a PC guy. Since Gibson bought it, Its got a greedy Corporate feel to it with polite receptionists and mediators. This is the first time I have been offended by this companies Policies. I know you will not change on account of me . I just want to speak my opinion before I Bail.
 
 

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/30 18:32:51 (permalink)
Back in the day I only upgraded when the bakers pulled a really tempting feature out the oven.
Else I'd skip a version or two. That meant the cost of upgrading went up with each skip, but I was cool with that.
 
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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/30 20:37:27 (permalink)
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First year of Sonar Platinum rolling updates were only $149.00
Second year it was $199.00 , now its $249.00

 
Actually right now it's $199. Very few people buy any products at the full list price, they wait for a discount or promotion.
 
However it's also important to remember that unlike some programs, you don't have to update every year; SONAR will keep on working. With a program that forces people to pay for a subscription every year or their projects disappear, the company can charge less per year because that's guaranteed income (or extortion, if you prefer ). 
 
It used to be that each year had a different version of SONAR. If you wanted to update from a version that was two or three years old, it cost you more than if you updated from the previous version. That's kind of the way things work now, except that those who feel they need to upgrade every year end up paying more. I think a lot of people will skip an upgrade, as they often did in the past. If they do, the upgrade price probably ends up being about the same after two years, assuming they wait for a sale.

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Re: 60% off updates - why is there no diffence in price? 2017/10/31 04:04:05 (permalink)
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First year of Sonar Platinum rolling updates were only $149.00
Second year it was $199.00 , now its $249.00

 
Actually right now it's $199. Very few people buy any products at the full list price, they wait for a discount or promotion.
 
However it's also important to remember that unlike some programs, you don't have to update every year; SONAR will keep on working. With a program that forces people to pay for a subscription every year or their projects disappear, the company can charge less per year because that's guaranteed income (or extortion, if you prefer ). 
 
It used to be that each year had a different version of SONAR. If you wanted to update from a version that was two or three years old, it cost you more than if you updated from the previous version. That's kind of the way things work now, except that those who feel they need to upgrade every year end up paying more. I think a lot of people will skip an upgrade, as they often did in the past. If they do, the upgrade price probably ends up being about the same after two years, assuming they wait for a sale.


After all this time, people are still confusing the Photoshop (pay monthly to keep using the software) with the Cakewalk, pay monthly until the full amount is paid, then you can continue using Sonar.  People just can't seem to grasp that after you paid your monthly, pay as you go, plan you OWN Sonar, with no further payments necessary.
Then if you want to get updates, you can pay more monthly payments.   It's really not that difficult a concept.

And these same people who were complaining about the "Lifetime Deal", saying it was unfair, are the same people now complaining that this Lifetime update deal is no longer available for them.  How many months was that deal available?   You snooze, you lose.   But you still get to keep using your bought and paid for copy of Sonar.

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