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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/30 18:46:48
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I've got a 2013 SG Bass that plays just fine. Gonna count my blessings and move on.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/30 22:55:25
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/30 23:28:29
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TheMaartian I've got a 2013 SG Bass that plays just fine. Gonna count my blessings and move on.
Did you play if before you bought it? If I ever bought another USA model from Fender or Gibson, I'd look over the finish and the playability. I probably wouldn't buy one online. My MIM Tele is a nice build. Epis are nice budget guitars. Since moving away from the Midwest I miss Washburn guitars.
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JohnKenn
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/31 01:45:31
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/10/31 21:02:36
Few years back, went into Guitar Center and played the new Gibsons, stuff they keep high on the racks so you can't get them without salesman help. Major bummer. They were crap. Not the slightest integrity of the ancient icons their good reputation was built upon. Neck was crap. Sound was crap. Revelation made worse by a good friend whose late mother was a master luthier for Gibson. This lady was great, incredible. Worked even into her late 80's to do the hi end designer contracts. Means like if you wanted a 10k Gibson mandolin, she was the artist that delivered the axe to you. She revealed off the record and in private that the mass production of the Gibson axes screwed you as a consumer hoping to get a quick sale on the Gibson name. She mentioned as an example the Guitar Center Gibson Humming Bird acoustic. What a deal at Guitar Center. Way cheaper than anywhere else. The venerable lady revealed from inside the company, how these Hummingbirds were mass produced with inferior quality, inferior materials. Borderline pieces of junk slopped together to get you starry eyed at the discount. But hey, had the Gibson logo and hope that you didn't have the resources or reference point to know something was not right. Happy with my 40 year old Ibanez acoustic. Bastardized MIM strat does everything electric I could ever want. Not worth to spend a couple thousand more to have some withering logo on the head stock. 3 grand on a recent Gibson is no option. IMHO, Gibson quality has gone to the sewer. Maybe they will regroup and get it together like Fender was faced with, circa 2000 or so. The trouble Gibson is facing is unfortunately deserved, although not celebrating in the problems of employees trying to support and feed their families. Gibson is a joke of something that was once so beautiful, powerful and precise. John
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/31 13:42:28
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☄ Helpfulby BassDaddy 2017/10/31 15:51:27
Wealthy endorsers whining about the free guitars they get...boo hoo. They can afford to have one custom built.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/31 14:12:37
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FWIW, The two Les Pauls I have are fairly recent make (both Custom Shop)... and they're two of the finest guitars I've owned (out of many higher-end guitars bought/sold to ultimately get them). Recently, played some upper-tier Les Pauls at the local GC. They have a beautiful red quilt-top (forget the official name of the finish) that plays/sounds great. The only turn-off (to me) is the "Richlite" fretboard.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/31 14:13:13
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Lower prices on Gibson, forget Epiphone as a cheap fill in. Sell one guitar well made for a decent price. Gibson buyers are not Taylor buyers. If you want a Taylor there is only one with that kind of sound. To go better than that you need to go to a custom guitar. Martins are great too but they sound like Martins. This isn't the case with Gibson. There are worthy substitutes for less. The next gen doesn't necessarily hold the name in as high regard as the previous generations did. A few will, yes, but the numbers are getting less and less.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/31 15:15:11
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I only have 2 Gibson products left at home. 1 is an acoustic L1 made in 1930 and the other is an Epiphone made in the Kalamazoo factory in 1959. I hate the new stuff, but their old stuff is amazing.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/31 16:46:43
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I have an Epiphone Les Paul from roughly 20 years ago [!] Put some Seymour Duncan '59's in it and it plays & sounds great.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/31 18:09:15
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Byron, I have an Epiphone 500MCE that I really love as well. I'm not dissing Epiphone, only making the point that if they had a more narrow product line at a lower price that would make more sense to me. It's JMO no one has to own it but me
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/31 20:55:44
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i was looking for a gibson to buy, when i bought my Ibanez Artist. that ibanez blew away every gibson les paul i had played to date. since then, i occasionally will get the urge to try one out.... nicest paul i've played, was a VOS at a guitar center, they wanted about $5000 for it.... jeez, i payed $800 for that ibanez artist brand new..... now it's worth around $1600, doubled it's worth, and still felt and played better than the nicest paul i've played..... WTF you are not going to see Bat's Brew sucking up to something that says 'gibson les paul' on it anytime soon. there are better guitars.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/10/31 21:13:51
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I have one Les Paul I bought about 15 years ago at GC. They had about a dozen, I played them all and picked the best one. It's a nice guitar. About 8 years ago I bought an Epi John Lennon Casino. Not the $600 knock off, but the real thing (I think I paid about $1800 for it). It's not nearly as nice as the Les Paul. The pickups rattle and buzz (they weren't mounted correctly) and the set-up was non-existent. The finish has an obvious flaw that I discovered when I took off the pick guard. Very frustrating and sad because the name "Gibson" used to equal "Quality".
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
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Was thinking about Jim's positive response to his new Gibsons and maybe should not have called the current Gibson lines "junk". Has been several years since auditioning their newest axes, and don't have a clue about the custom shop models. Here's where you probably get what you can pay for. Maybe less junk than a letdown in my eyes, and realizing that the price tag no longer fits the legend. Was at the time wanting to get a real Gibson SG, and there was nothing they had on the shelf that I wanted to buy. The sound not the same quality and the neck and setup way deteriorated from the craftsmanship of the icons that put Gibson on the map. Still had the same price tag. Mass production and quick sale was written all over them. So got to apologize for calling the axes junk. The consumer level Gibsons are okay and will get the job done, but feel that something critical has been lost somewhere. Today's SG ain't your father's SG. Last week did an old fashioned barter exchange. Drywall work from a contractor in exchange for repairing 8 of his guitars. One was a 50's or so Gibson bass. The quality was absolutely incredible. Precision of the neck and mechanics was more like playing a guitar. They don't make these anymore. Was thinking, where can I get a bass like this. Might be out there somewhere, but not from Gibson. John
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/11/01 14:40:32
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JohnKenn Was thinking about Jim's positive response to his new Gibsons and maybe should not have called the current Gibson lines "junk". Has been several years since auditioning their newest axes, and don't have a clue about the custom shop models. Here's where you probably get what you can pay for. Maybe less junk than a letdown in my eyes, and realizing that the price tag no longer fits the legend. Was at the time wanting to get a real Gibson SG, and there was nothing they had on the shelf that I wanted to buy. The sound not the same quality and the neck and setup way deteriorated from the craftsmanship of the icons that put Gibson on the map. Still had the same price tag. Mass production and quick sale was written all over them. So got to apologize for calling the axes junk. The consumer level Gibsons are okay and will get the job done, but feel that something critical has been lost somewhere. Today's SG ain't your father's SG. Last week did an old fashioned barter exchange. Drywall work from a contractor in exchange for repairing 8 of his guitars. One was a 50's or so Gibson bass. The quality was absolutely incredible. Precision of the neck and mechanics was more like playing a guitar. They don't make these anymore. Was thinking, where can I get a bass like this. Might be out there somewhere, but not from Gibson. John
JK: that was well put. If I had to sum up the present state of Gibsons with one word it would be "disappointing". They're not awful, they're just not what I expect.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/11/01 16:44:09
My current Gibsons are Alex Lifeson and R9 Les Pauls. I've had numerous Les Paul Standards, Traditional Pro, and Studio models that I liked... but didn't ultimately love. All of these guitars needed a professional setup (and I had the original nut replaced with bone). With higher-end Gibson models, I think you're getting the best wood/hardware/electronics... and much more attention to fine details. My AL and R9 needed zero setup or adjustments. If I now sit down and play a Standard, it sounds/feels a bit "pedestrian". Not cheap... or bad... just not the WOW feeling To be fair, this is how I feel when comparing most guitars to those two Les Pauls. I really admire PRS guitars because the attention to details. The instruments are almost works of art. Got my first PRS several years back... and it was "gig ready" out of the box. Had to slightly adjust the intonation (after changing to my preferred strings)... and that was it. Played great, sounded great, easy to maintain, and just fun to play... As nice as that PRS was (is), the R9 just has a little something extra. I always said I'd never sell that PRS. Had that guitar longer than any other. It just wasn't being played as much (or taken out to gigs), and it was too expensive to just sit on the wall. I don't think all is lost for Gibson. I think John is right in that they need to "get back to basics". Build the guitars you're known for... and build them to the highest quality standards.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/11/01 16:56:16
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bdickens I have an Epiphone Les Paul from roughly 20 years ago [!] Put some Seymour Duncan '59's in it and it plays & sounds great.
And this is my point. Epiphone has always been the beginner guitar to upgrade. IOW it wasn't that great to begin with. You have to put in different tuners and pickups. You can make great guitars from some of them, but they are always regarded as the lesser of the product line. Many seem happy to upgrade to an "almost Gibson". For me, it never sat well. I would rather have something at a better price point that I can take pride in right out of the box.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/11/01 20:14:39
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Gibson should go back to their core business model making and selling guitars. They need to get out of these side endeavors like home audio, headphones and most notably Cakewalk and Tascam. Gibson is a bad business. I'm not talking about what they make, I'm talking about their business model. It's terrible from an accounting Profit Loss perspective. They bought Slingerland back in the 90's Slingerland was already knocking on deaths door but they landed Greg Bissonette as an endorsers fused with new capital from Gibson, and made the idiotic decision to force companies that carried Slingerland drums to also carry Gibson guitars, so all the specialty drum shop guys were out of the market. Greg left after only a few years and went to Mapex where he was for almost 15 years, and now he's with Dixon. Some of the crap they do now like trying to sell headphones to compete with Beats Audio, is just beyond stupid. This is where Juszkiewicz, has really been a terrible CEO. He's often mentioned as having saved the company back in the 80's but really since then his decision making is suspect at best and a big reason why they will likely file for bankruptcy next when analysts project they will be unable to make payments on their 500 million dollar plus debt they've collected. Gibson has a name and pedigree that will always make them a valued brand, but it's really all this effort to turn Gibson into this multinational conglomerate style business is where it's failed. Everyone talks about the complaints on Glassdoor which are quite frankly embarrassing, and I really don't know another instrument manufacturer that has employees that are publicly slamming them. Go read some of the stuff the guys that work at Taylor say. They feel it's a family company and seem happy to work there. Sure there are always going to be some complaints but a company should want to correct the kind of negative backlash Gibson workers seem all to comfortable sharing.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/11/03 11:18:05
I'm not a guitar player, but I found the video interesting. Unfortunately, Gibson is not alone in the world when products just a mere 15 years prior used to be superior to today's products. It's almost at epidemic proportions.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/11/03 22:51:05
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Jim Roseberry
I don't think all is lost for Gibson. I think John is right in that they need to "get back to basics". Build the guitars you're known for... and build them to the highest quality standards.
I agree with this.
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Re: Top 7 Things Wrong with Gibson
2017/11/04 14:04:19
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The #1 issue at Gibson is its Gibson Nashville, not Gibson, Inc. Kalamazoo MI. But that era ended a long time ago. Current production is "hit and miss". I have a (2008 IIRC) ES339 that is a "very good" guitar; but I've played many I would never take home. Had a 2003 "We finally got it right" Brazilian board R7; the nut was a MESS; never should have left the shop until it played "right", and the Burstbuckers, what a pile! (but that's just me) Played an R&S reliced '03 Braz board R9. As "close" to the "real" thing as I've ever played! Hit you in the gut like a sledgehammer! Guy didn't accept Visa (what??), saved me some money to be sure; but I would be "happy" with that baby! Just my nickel 98... T
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