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2017/11/16 12:38:31 (permalink)

Questions before purchase

Hi all, I'm in the market for a new DAW and I'm looking seriously at Sonar. I'm coming from Ableton and the pricing structure has just gotten out of hand for a hobbyist like me. I don't believe in pirating so the lower price of even the platinum version of Sonar coupled with the rent to own option is very attractive. Anyway, I'm hoping someone can answer the following:

1) When using the rent to own option, does the computer have to be online at all times? I assume it would have to at least check in every 30 days or so to verify the account is current (which would be fine) but I don't leave mine connected unless I'm running installs, updates, etc. so an always connected requirement would be a deal breaker.

2) Am I required to download and install all content at one time or can I just start with the core program and add the instruments and 3rd party stuff at-will as I find a need for it?

3) I already own a lot of VSTi software, some of it quite expensive, that I'm not ready to abandon, so is there anything that is known not to play well or flat out refuses to work with Sonar? My main concerns are Izotope, IK and Waves products.

4) Is there an equivalent to Abletons freeze/flatten functionality where I can bounce a midi track to audio in place without recording it to another track?

5) For anyone else that has made the jump from Ableton, did you have a particularly hard time adapting and are there any caveats you wish you had known going into it? I should mention that I use Ableton as more of a traditional recording setup almost exclusively in arrangement mode so I'm not really concerned with loop handling or live performance but I do spend a lot of time programming drums and editing midi and I really like the intuitive editing of Abletons piano roll.

I think that's it for now. Thanks in advance for any and all comments.
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 12:47:16 (permalink)
Hi, and welcome to this forum.
1: It only needs to be online for authorization, and updates. Not sure if it has to go online monthly or not.
2: Install the core, and add as needed. I have a few items that I don't install / need on my laptop.
3: I use a lot of 3rd party plugins, alongside with the included plugins. I have plugins from the manufacturers you mentioned, and don't have any issues.
4: Yes. It is called freeze track, and works for both MIDI and audio.
5: This I have very little experience with, so others will hopefully chime in.
Hope it helps.
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 12:55:42 (permalink)
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1: It only needs to be online for authorization, and updates. Not sure if it has to go online monthly or not.

There is no need to ever connect the DAW to the internet. There is a manual activation process but it does require some device connect to the internet to send activation requests and receive the tokens back from Cakewalk servers. The monthly payment plan requires monthly activation. It is easier if the DAW can periodically connect to the internet to activate and install updates.
 
Ease of use is a personal thing, try the demo.



 
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 12:55:49 (permalink)
Thank you! That was extremely quick and helpful.
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 12:59:06 (permalink)
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1: It only needs to be online for authorization, and updates. Not sure if it has to go online monthly or not.

There is no need to ever connect the DAW to the internet. There is a manual activation process but it does require some device connect to the internet to send activation requests and receive the tokens back from Cakewalk servers. The monthly payment plan requires monthly activation. It is easier if the DAW can periodically connect to the internet to activate and install updates.
 
Ease of use is a personal thing, try the demo.



 


He was asking about the monthly option, hence my reply.
Forgot about the offline authorization, though.

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 13:00:17 (permalink)
1) No, because it's not really a "rent-to-own" scheme. More of a time-payment plan. You own what you've got at all times and are just making ongoing payments for updates. Many people keep their DAWs offline at all times, except to perform updates and installs.
 
2) You only have to install the core components initially and can add the rest later, or never.

3) Unless you have a plugin that's explicitly restricted to Ableton, all your existing VSTs and VSTi's will be compatible with SONAR. iZotope, IK and Waves are all very popular hereabouts.

4) Yes. It called "freeze". SONAR's had it since 2004, long before most other DAWs.

5) Never used Ableton, but I know some folks here prefer and continue to use it for MIDI sequencing. I couldn't tell you why, though. I also do a lot of drum programming and I find SONAR's PRV editing simple and convenient. That goes for complex orchestrations as well.
 


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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 13:23:58 (permalink)
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it's not really a "rent-to-own" scheme.

You are aware Cakewalk uses that phrase in the purchase options
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 13:31:52 (permalink)
Thanks to all for the quick and thorough answers. This seems to be a very active and supportive user group which is a big plus in and of itself.

If I go through downloading and installing the demo, do I have to do it all over again if I decide to purchase or do I simply authorize the demo? I'm not lazy, I just live in a rural area and I'm limited to very slow internet by today's standards.
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 13:33:32 (permalink)
You get the fun of downloading and installing a second time.
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 13:36:56 (permalink)
Yay for me.
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 14:07:35 (permalink)
Another Sonar plus is that this forum is a great resource.
Much less BS than other applications' forums, and none of us seem to be corporate shills.

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 14:11:20 (permalink)
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1) No, because it's not really a "rent-to-own" scheme. More of a time-payment plan. You own what you've got at all times and are just making ongoing payments for updates. Many people keep their DAWs offline at all times, except to perform updates and installs.
 



Unless my memory fails me that is not strictly true. If you are paying monthly, the only time "You own what you've got" is after you pay the last payment for that 12 month period, up until that time if you stop, you loose, I could be wrong but that has always been my understanding.

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 14:13:36 (permalink)
Yes, to receive a non-expiring license the terms of the payment plan must be met.
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 14:14:48 (permalink)
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Thanks to all for the quick and thorough answers. This seems to be a very active and supportive user group which is a big plus in and of itself.



+1   This forum has been great.  I am a new hobbyist, and this forum was the reason I chose Sonar over Studio One for my first DAW.  Folks here have been very helpful to me.
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 16:03:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2017/11/16 16:32:43
dnelson1971
Yay for me.

If you have access to fast(er) internet connection elsewhere, just download it onto a external HD/Memory stick there. Bring home and install.
post edited by Zargg - 2017/11/16 20:37:11

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 16:32:38 (permalink)
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Yay for me.

If you have access to fast(er) internet connection elsewhere, just download there onto a external HD/Memory stick there. Bring home and install.



That is a Brilliant idea.



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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 17:30:36 (permalink)
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Yay for me.

If you have access to fast(er) internet connection elsewhere, just download there onto a external HD/Memory stick there. Bring home and install.



That is a Brilliant idea.




Must be one of those coincidences

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 17:36:52 (permalink)
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Yay for me.

If you have access to fast(er) internet connection elsewhere, just download there onto a external HD/Memory stick there. Bring home and install.



That is a Brilliant idea.




Must be one of those coincidences


I could see it now... dragging my desktop in to the local coffee shop that has free WIFI

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 17:39:37 (permalink)
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Yay for me.

If you have access to fast(er) internet connection elsewhere, just download there onto a external HD/Memory stick there. Bring home and install.



That is a Brilliant idea.




Must be one of those coincidences


I could see it now... dragging my desktop in to the local coffee shop that has free WIFI



Including a full rack (AI, some digital units etc) for Firmware updates

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 17:41:17 (permalink)
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Including a full rack (AI, some digital units etc) for Firmware updates


HaHaHa. 
You and I should write a comedy skit.

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 17:43:57 (permalink)
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Including a full rack (AI, some digital units etc) for Firmware updates


HaHaHa. 
You and I should write a comedy skit.


I'm game
I've co-written a few skits for local tv in my youth

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/16 19:31:43 (permalink)
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Hi all, I'm in the market for a new DAW and I'm looking seriously at Sonar. I'm coming from Ableton and the pricing structure has just gotten out of hand for a hobbyist like me. I don't believe in pirating so the lower price of even the platinum version of Sonar coupled with the rent to own option is very attractive. Anyway, I'm hoping someone can answer the following:


$324 for Platinum here:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...e-Offers-m3684368.aspx
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/17 10:47:11 (permalink)
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$324 for Platinum here:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...e-Offers-m3684368.aspx



That's a Really Good Deal. Hope the OP finds the right thing at the right price, and yes, the community here adds a ton of value, and not just answering questions either. The entertainment value is worth the price of admission alone! Not to mention profound-if-somewhat-tangential philosophical meanderings... ;)
 

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/17 15:36:32 (permalink)
That is a really good price. Especially considering all of the extras you get that others would charge for.
 
As I understand it Sonar ownership takes 12 monthly payments( if you opt for that plan) to reach the point where you can  keep what you have indefinitely....so long as your system will operate without things becoming obsolete you'll be ok. IOW if you only payed for 6 months you loose. You need to pay for a year.
 
After that you have a choice to continue with monthly updates or not. As an example- If you decide not to update Sonar and come back a year later with the money to update it, you'll get everything you missed in the preceding months you didn't pay.
 
It this correct?
 
 

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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/17 15:50:01 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2017/11/17 15:52:50
Yes, the monthly payment plan grants the same license as the single payment plan after 12 consecutive monthly payments.
 
Unlike the single payment plan, the monthly payment plan automatically renews and continues until the user cancels it. Should it be cancelled, it may be started up at any time. When restarted, any updates or additional content is included unless the content was exclusive to the month it was added. Cakewalk has not added exclusive content in some time.
 
One other thing about the monthly payment plan; once renewed, in order to keep the updates 12 consecutive payments must be completed, just like the original purchase. IOW, SONAR is not sold by the month.
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Re: Questions before purchase 2017/11/17 15:54:00 (permalink)
Thanks scook. 

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