rebel007
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The Bright Side?
Finally, after years of updates and new "documentation" to read every month, I can finally catch up with, and learn, all the intricacies of Sonar. I don't have to worry about learning one way of doing something, only next month to have Cakewalk state they're introducing some crazy new workflow that all the regular users are saying "I don't know how I lived without", then have to spend hours learning a new way of doing something. Some functions, like midi editing, have changed wildly at times, and I've had to drop projects for hours to learn why the midi track view looks the way it didn't do before I installed the previous update. Finally, I would finish a project, only to find next month's update included something that really made that old song pop and I'd have to spend hours learning how to use that function, slot it into the project in just the right place, then remix all the other tracks just to make it fit. No, this has been a blessing in disguise. No more hours stuck in the manual, np more pouring over previous forum posts, learning something I thought I already knew how to do. All projects can be signed off on, knowing nothing new will come along to make it better. Most of all, no more begging treasury for that few hundred dollars for that latest update that our music just cannot do without. You know what I think? I think Cakewalk realised that Sonar was at it's peak, and any additions were really just icing on the cake so to speak. No, I'm off to make music with one of the best DAW's on the planet. You'll only hear from me when I release "that single", the one that's going to rock the world.
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Grem
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 12:40:01
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rebel007 ..... learning something I thought I already knew how to do. All projects can be signed off on, knowing nothing new will come along to make it better. You'll only hear from me when I release "that single", the one that's going to rock the world.
That first quote is a good one! Do you know how many times I used that one to acquire the funds necessary to make that "last" purchase!! And I'm turning on the radio now waiting to hear 'that' song!! Good luck man!
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subtlearts
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 13:04:09
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I like this line of reasoning and it gives a valid reason, kind of alongside Bitflipper's, to keep using the mature, final version of Sonar for a while - take advantage of the situation! Rather than running for the hills and dumping all that expertise and time spent on the learning curve. The other options will still be there later, better than they are now and others as well, possibly better still... and there will be other sales and opportunities, and instead of paying for the Super Awesome Crossgrade now, then paying again for the upgrade to that program a year or two down the road (unless it's FL Studio), why not enjoy what we have for a while and focus on being creative and productive with it? What's the panic? * * By the way this is a rhetorical question, I don't actually need an answer, I know there are valid reasons to make a change now preemptively, I've read many of them and understand most of them. I'm just saying I kind of feel in many ways like this is a refreshing perspective that actually resonates with me at the moment...
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 13:43:01
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☄ Helpfulby bandso 2017/11/30 13:56:14
Ahh, the next stage. rationalism.
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Grem
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 13:51:11
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bitman Ahh, the next stage. rationalism.
LOL!!
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subtlearts
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 13:57:49
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bitman Ahh, the next stage. rationalism.
Exactly!
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Grem
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 14:01:20
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subtlearts I know there are valid reasons to make a change now preemptively, I've read many of them and understand most of them. I'm just saying I kind of feel in many ways like this is a refreshing perspective that actually resonates with me at the moment...
Tobias, just a comment here, My view is that it's over. Get on with it. Then I get the BF upgrade offer and install mess around a bit then.... I go to do some work and try to think of how I will proceed. So I have to transfer something to the new program, so I fire Sonar up. Next thing I know it's several hours later, I am still in Sonar and I am thinking that I have no reason (or intention) of learning a new system. So I guess I am firmly on the fence here! Thinking: A) I know what I have to do (eventually) so I might as well bite the bullet and get on with it. B) Then the other part of me says why? Work with what ya got!
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subtlearts
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 14:40:00
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Grem My view is that it's over. Get on with it. Then I get the BF upgrade offer and install mess around a bit then.... I go to do some work and try to think of how I will proceed. So I have to transfer something to the new program, so I fire Sonar up. Next thing I know it's several hours later, I am still in Sonar and I am thinking that I have no reason (or intention) of learning a new system. So I guess I am firmly on the fence here! Thinking: A) I know what I have to do (eventually) so I might as well bite the bullet and get on with it. B) Then the other part of me says why? Work with what ya got!
I hear you. I have been going through similar oscillations (I suppose that should more properly be 'vacillations' but hey, it's a music technology forum!). And I'm frustrated that I'm wasting so much time thinking about it. I don't think we're alone. I'm not even saying I've decided not to jump on one of the crossgrade offers - I have downloaded and set up the Studio One demo and poked around a bit and am interested enough that I will probably try to explore it a bit more before the window on the very attractive special offer closes. I'm not sure if/when the reduced price on the Cubase CC expires, it's basically double the price but Cubase is a very heavy hitter, no question. I missed the BF sale on Mixcraft and will likely wait while keeping an eye on it, as it looks very promising indeed. I have recently upgraded Reason to 10 as I've always had a soft spot for it despite its limitations, it's a very fun and creative environment and now some of the limitations are gone... and I jumped on Mixbus for $29 and will definitely be trying some mixing to see if I can feel the Analog Feeling that so many claim it nails in a way that nothing else does. And, for pete's sake I have a license for Live Suite 9 sitting on the (virtual) shelf begging to be explored more than I have ever made time for. And I know it's a pretty deep well. But I have done more work, and work I'm proud of, in Sonar than I ever have in anything else. It's where I am comfortable and can do what I want to do quickly, immediately, while the idea is fresh, rather than going, hmm, I want to do this, how do I do it? Poke away at it trying to figure it out intuitively, RTFM, search forums, watch an instructional video... Wait, what was I trying to do again? Oh look, it's time to go make dinner / pick up kid from school / go to my real job (playing piano in a crazy circus cabaret dinner show, could be worse I guess!)... So that's why the idea of just saying, hey man, chill out, make some music and let the chips fall where they may, is increasingly attractive. Cubase may be a powerful beast but so is Sonar and I already know how to use it. Studio One might be slick and stable but for the most part, so is Sonar and I already know how to use it. Mixbus may sound great but so does Sonar and I already know how to use it. And so on. Make sense?
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Grem
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 18:35:52
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subtlearts Cubase may be a powerful beast but so is Sonar and I already know how to use it. Studio One might be slick and stable but for the most part, so is Sonar and I already know how to use it. Mixbus may sound great but so does Sonar and I already know how to use it. And so on. Make sense?
Great minds think alike!! To me it makes all the sense in the world!! The above post is what I think about while working in Sonar since this has happened. : )
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RogerPop
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 19:03:37
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Grem Studio One might be slick and stable but for the most part, so is Sonar and I already know how to use it.
Yeah, I hear you ... that will work for now but eventually Sonar will stop working, or at at least become increasingly unstable as the years go by and Windows updates roll in. And then you'll finally switch to another DAW anyway. So you'd probably be better off switching to a different DAW now for any new work you start. Otherwise you'll have the problem down the road of having these projects in Sonar format that nothing else is going to be able to read. Whereas if you make the switch now and create any new work in another DAW you won't have that problem. Anyway, last night I downloaded Studio One to give it a whirl. The first half hour or so I kept wishing I was back in Sonar, but stuck with it and ended up being surprised at how similar to Sonar it is. In fact, I had the eerie feeling a few times that it was just a different "skin" over Sonar!
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/11/30 20:09:03
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RogerPop
Grem Studio One might be slick and stable but for the most part, so is Sonar and I already know how to use it.
Yeah, I hear you ... that will work for now but eventually Sonar will stop working, or at at least become increasingly unstable as the years go by and Windows updates roll in.
Not if you disable Windows updates
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/12/01 00:29:15
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☄ Helpfulby SiberianKhatru59 2017/12/01 13:06:36
Finally, after years of updates and new "documentation" to read every month, I can finally catch up with, and learn, all the intricacies of Sonar. No, this has been a blessing in disguise. This is what I have said over and over- Won't it be nice to just stop mucking about with updates and sit back and just enjoy the ride in the veihicle we own and have paid for? There is so much I havn't learned about Sonar and now I can dig in deeper as time goes by. The last thing I'm in the mood for right now is to spend another 6? months getting proficient with another DAW. Why do people keep saying- Sonar will stop working??? I and many people here have copies of Sonar going back more than 10 years and they still work. So what is so different about Sonar Splat that you think it will stop working. Sure until we have that magic activation code we might not be able to install it down the road, but the version you have can be installed on multiple computers and will work until that computer dies and not one day sooner. There's another misconception that when the servers die Sonar will stop working. Just to proove this wrong I just installed Sonar on a new machine using the Downloaded installer from my products page and off line activation. I did not need CCC. It will still be on this machine and running until this machine dies of old age. Please note the LEGAL and the Valid until infinity
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/12/01 00:45:29
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☄ Helpfulby doncolga 2017/12/01 01:04:25
Cactus Music Finally, after years of updates and new "documentation" to read every month, I can finally catch up with, and learn, all the intricacies of Sonar. No, this has been a blessing in disguise.
This is what I have said over and over- Won't it be nice to just stop mucking about with updates and sit back and just enjoy the ride in the veihicle we own and have paid for? There is so much I havn't learned about Sonar and now I can dig in deeper as time goes by. The last thing I'm in the mood for right now is to spend another 6? months getting proficient with another DAW. Why do people keep saying- Sonar will stop working??? I and many people here have copies of Sonar going back more than 10 years and they still work. So what is so different about Sonar Splat that you think it will stop working. Sure until we have that magic activation code we might not be able to install it down the road, but the version you have can be installed on multiple computers and will work until that computer dies and not one day sooner. There's another misconception that when the servers die Sonar will stop working. Just to proove this wrong I just installed Sonar on a new machine using the Downloaded installer from my products page and off line activation. I did not need CCC. It will still be on this machine and running until this machine dies of old age. Please note the LEGAL and the Valid until infinity
Exactly! I recently redid a friend's computer that was 9 years old, Athlon II X2, put in an SSD, 4GB RAM and installed Windows 10 with the Sonar 5 he was using, worked like a champ with the Echo Gina 3G he had. Sonar 5 is more than 10 years old! Remember, when you follow Microsoft's rules regarding proper programming, you get rewarded in the long run with very long-lived compatibility, and thankfully the guys at Cakewalk were very aware and respectful of those rules. I expect we'll be able to run Sonar Platinum in its current form for many years to come. And the kicker is: it's already SO much more than I ever dreamed of having in MY studio. Even if I never get another VST(i) I'll have more to explore than I will in my lifetime. Like a good instrument, this Sonar of ours is just a wonderful tool. I will keep exploring other means of music production, I own Ableton Live and use it for some things, but for now and the foreseeable future, I will keep Sonar as my main recording, mixing, mastering environment! R
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dubdisciple
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/12/01 02:00:48
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☄ Helpfulby mudgel 2017/12/01 02:24:54
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subtlearts I know there are valid reasons to make a change now preemptively, I've read many of them and understand most of them. I'm just saying I kind of feel in many ways like this is a refreshing perspective that actually resonates with me at the moment...
Tobias, just a comment here, My view is that it's over. Get on with it. Then I get the BF upgrade offer and install mess around a bit then.... I go to do some work and try to think of how I will proceed. So I have to transfer something to the new program, so I fire Sonar up. Next thing I know it's several hours later, I am still in Sonar and I am thinking that I have no reason (or intention) of learning a new system. So I guess I am firmly on the fence here! Thinking: A) I know what I have to do (eventually) so I might as well bite the bullet and get on with it. B) Then the other part of me says why? Work with what ya got!
I'm of the school of thought that A and B are not mutually exclusive. You paid for a product. Get as much use as you can out of it. You may well be able to use it another 10 years. In some ways the lack of updates may lead to a very consistent workflow that increases productivity. In the meantime you can explore options and begin learning them. Even though I have been migrating to S1, I pull up the lite version of ableton and bitwig at least once a week and will dig up Reaper too. I work with Logic regularly as well. Not suggesting you play musivsl DAWS daily but experimenting with options is much more fun when it does not feel pressured and urgent. You theoretically have a few years at least to make a comfortable switch if it comes down to it. For the really dedicated person you could dedicate an offline box to sonar and run for decades. I know of a group that did that back in 1997 and still have old cakewalk running on XP
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SiberianKhatru59
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/12/01 02:51:23
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Even older school...I think of Sir George Martin making how much history with a tiny fraction the recording, mixing and mastering power of what's available in SONAR as is?
I guess if you're trying to keep up with the Joneses then Sonar updates really do matter, but it occurred to me that if you're trying to BE the Joneses then maybe what we have may be all we need.
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Re: The Bright Side?
2017/12/01 03:19:28
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Radio: The Lincoln brand is in trouble. Why? One dude claims it is because there were too many model changes. So, it lost brand identity. But it is still popular in China.
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