Gibson, Norlin and the fine American tradition of not learning a damn thing

This whole thing is sad and has me gutted. I have been a user since Cakewalk Pro Audio 8. Cakewalk has been a way of life for me.
 
I am also a guitar player ... in fact, I was a guitar player way before I was a Sonar player. Gibson itself has already been through this. In the sixties the guitar maker was sold off to CMI, I think ... and then ultimately to Norlin. Why this seems significant, at least to me, is apparently nobody has learned anything. Back then it was thought that Gibson sales could be kicked up a few notches if some folks with real business savvy were to buy Gibson outright and then get out their slide rules and spread sheets and subject the company to their consulting voodoo. They reasoned that with "real businessmen" on board, as opposed to merely artisans, the company could be streamlined and profits maximized. Instead what happened was they made decisions that ultimately caused the company to fall out favor with their core purchasing demographic ... the actual musicians themselves. The working musicians hated the changes that were being made to their beloved instruments and began to distance themselves from Gibson. This opened the door for the boom of Japanese guitar makers from the famed lawsuit era to come in and capitalize on Gibson's new found shortcomings.
 
What ultimately saved Gibson was a very small group of dedicated employees ... employees that were actually guitarists themselves ... stepped in and bought the company back from Norlin and returned it's quality back to past standards. 
 
Just checked, and I got about 18 dollars and change on me ... anybody else?
 
Seriously though, if I had known the degree of financial difficulty Sonar was in I would have become a monthly supporter. I didn't like the idea when it was first implemented, but seriously if I'd have known that just a short time later the company would cease development, I would have found a way to lend the financial support. It's THAT IMPORTANT. 
 
I made the mistake of just assuming that I could switch over to a monthly customer at any time. Bit me in the ass in a hurry too ...
 
Maybe there is hope of someone buying what's left of the product and continuing development. Someone who understands how awesome this tool it. It's far too magnificent of a product to just be thrown out with the evening's trash. Sonar was in a class of it's own. The way everything is integrated ... it is truly one-stop DAW shopping ... I've never seen anything like it. I will miss Sonar.
 
This community for sure needs to remain ... there are many places our nice little forum can be relocated to. I remain hopeful the community will weather the storm.
 
But geez ...
 
I hope they remember to release the limitation on versions of Sonar we're allowed to install. If this product is now mine outright, then I should be able to install on as many laptops as I need to. My owned plugins as well.
 
In profits and bottom line we trust.  

Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.

    ~Santayana

Haste makes waste, but, he who hesitates is lost. 

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that is all.

You forgot Am.

I commented at the time that "lifetime updates" was just a ploy to get a cash infusion.
Bad move.
Not selling CW would be a stooopid move.
 
Maybe we could crowd-fund the purchase.

It probably would be better to create a replacement DAW from the ground up adding all of the best parts of SONAR along with modern, modular code to fix all of the issues.  In over 45 years, I've literally written over a million lines of code (possibly "millions") and a lot was done to code around legacy code issues.  I've found it's much easier (and takes about the same amount of time and effort) to just write it over from scratch using newer methods.  Now you can grab an entire set of functionality, pre-coded and tested instead of creating your own - much better!
 
If done properly, areas would be modular and users could select different aspects as they wish.  Don't like the staff notation?  Use a different one.  Etc.

In a related note ... does anyone know when downloadable installation files of all our products will be available so we can at least back up what we have been using and have copies of it for future installation? They would need to release aspects of the install like auth codes and things like that.

scottcmusic

craigb
Not sure where you got that from, but a quick check of actual contributions shows it's not accurate.  
 
Just sayin'...

 
You're right! I low balled the number. It was really $27 per person, not $25
 
https://www.theatlantic.c...rs-fundraising/471648/

Never mind.  I wasn't debating the $25 number but the statement that Bernie received more contributions than any other candidate.  Heck, he wasn't even #2.
 
http://classic.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do
 
 

"crowds" own most of the corporations in the country. It is called stock. 
 
And, there would need to be managers, just like every business.

 

craigb

scottcmusic

craigb
Not sure where you got that from, but a quick check of actual contributions shows it's not accurate.  
 
Just sayin'...

 
You're right! I low balled the number. It was really $27 per person, not $25
 
https://www.theatlantic.c...rs-fundraising/471648/

Never mind.  I wasn't debating the $25 number but the statement that Bernie received more contributions than any other candidate.  Heck, he wasn't even #2.
 
http://classic.fec.gov/disclosurep/pnational.do
 
 

It's a great point and I'm not trying to be political, but it did him (and us) no good; the man who won didn't even get the popular vote.
 
Where one goes with that (in context with the current issue of Sonar being gone), I have no idea....

craigb

outland144k
It's a great point and I'm not trying to be political, but it did him (and us) no good; the man who won didn't even get the popular vote.
 

That's because this is the United States where you can't rig elections by jamming the popular vote.  This is why we have this concept called the Electoral College instead.
 
That said, the winner just may have been a mistake making him the first candidate in many elections that wasn't already owned by the Elite (the two that were supposed to run for the office were Hillary and Jeb Bush).  Of course, if either of them had won, we might already be in FEMA camps by now...
 
All of the current stock of politicians should be rounded up and sent on a rocketship to the sun as far as I'm concerned.  I'm constantly shocked and saddened how many voters out there don't realize that both of the so-called main parties are two sides of the same coin...

Right. Now they simply rig the electoral college vote instead: a much more stream-lined process, for sure. 

 
As far as your last comment is concerned, truer words have been rarely written (and segues neatly into previous comment on government as commodity).