Mesh
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With all the DAWS available.....
giving Sonar users an opportunity to jump in on these current deals, would it be a bad idea to just sit out and get a DAW later down the line? I don't want to miss out on a "exceptionally" good deal (something that may not happen later), but at the same time I'm planning on using Sonar as long as possible. On the fence here....
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 19:47:30
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It's a tricky one..... Sonar could potentially carry on working for years Then again it might not so taking a good deal now might be a shrewd move. Or end up paying a lot more sooner than you think. Swings and roundabouts. I can't decide either!
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 19:49:58
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I plan to use SONAR as long as possible, too. But in the event I'll need to move on someday, I'm learning Reaper in my spare time. No surprises, no stress if/when the time comes.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 20:01:06
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/12/12 11:25:02
I wouldn't worry too much. While a number of the specific deal will probably never return, deals nearly as good will likely happen this time of year again. I mean Studio One was not much cheaper with the Sonar crossgrade than just getting it from some place like Audiodeluxe on the black Friday sale. The only deal that might be something of a "one time only" is Cubase, it rarely seems to go on sale. However that said you could look at just jumping on a new DAW. I did because I figure while Sonar won't break, I can probably make it run for the next 20 years, I'd rather just start learning something new and getting used to the new workflow. I picked up Cubase, personally, and I quite like it.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 20:10:28
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Tough call Meshers. Totally personal call too. Is what I'm doing (or have done) what you need to do? Probably not.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 20:19:29
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/12/12 11:24:42
It's a tough call. On one hand, Sonar hasn't stopped working. On the other, it's prudent to at least investigate the options... knowing that (to remain current) you'll ultimately have to make a move. (This assumes Cakewalk doesn't get sold/resurrected) There are some great deals available right now. If you've got the budget, it's not a bad thing to have a couple different options in the toolbox.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 20:24:51
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FWIW, I already have several other DAW applications in my toolbox. Even so, I'm not sure which will replace Sonar as my primary DAW application. There are compromises no matter which you choose... ie: Samplitude might seem an obvious choice for me (extensive background with it in the past - wrote an English user's manual for Samplitude 2496)... but it lacks Track Templates. Small but extremely useful/powerful feature... Can I live without Track Templates? yes Do I want to live without Track Templates? NO!
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 20:26:15
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Sycraft However that said you could look at just jumping on a new DAW. I did because I figure while Sonar won't break, I can probably make it run for the next 20 years, I'd rather just start learning something new and getting used to the new workflow.
Unfortunately, there's nothing to guarantee that a new daw we switch to won't also go out of business. My confidence and feeling of security have taken a hit.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 20:35:17
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I have licenses for Studio One Pro 3, Reaper 5 and Mixbus32C. One of those has go to live longer than me, right? BTW, I'm almost 65 if that makes any difference.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 20:36:55
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☼ Best Answerby Mesh 2017/12/12 11:24:27
The one downside to Reaper is their tutorials. You have to listen to Kenny Gioia talk like this.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 20:53:25
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bapu The one downside to Reaper is their tutorials. You have to listen to Kenny Gioia talk like this.
Hahahahaha! Too true!
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/11 20:54:00
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Mesh giving Sonar users an opportunity to jump in on these current deals, would it be a bad idea to just sit out and get a DAW later down the line? I don't want to miss out on a "exceptionally" good deal (something that may not happen later), but at the same time I'm planning on using Sonar as long as possible. On the fence here....
FWIW, I have not noticed a "end date" for most of the crossgrade deals. I could be wrong....I'm sure that the deals next Black Friday will be great as always.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 02:53:43
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Good Gawd Bapu, Aged relic at 64 years old. How the crap you still alive. Any hair left? Barely 4 years younger than me. Time does take its toll on all of us it seems, but never too old to rock n' roll.. John
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 04:45:35
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Well I bought a few hundred dollars worth of music software the last couple of weeks. If I would have bought the same software 3 weeks ago, it would have cost me about $3,000 dollars+, Now is a great time to buy as these prices may not last long. I love having all this new software on my computer.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 05:21:28
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/12/12 11:24:17
Mesh , the closest I have come to any sort of panic mode was picking up Studio One 3 recently . The deal was very good , I had the money , and a lot of guys here that I respect have been using it for a while ... I have also been a Samp user for a long time .... so I also grabbed the current version on sale ...my version was one version back it ran perfectly ....but I wanted to get while the getting was good ... Having said that , I ran SONAR 6 PE from 2006 until 2013 w out so much as a hick up ... I was happy , it did every thing I wanted it to do and I knew my way around it enough to be able to forget the DAW itself and just concentrate on the music ... I guess what I'm trying to say is when I didn't have the money to buy $hit , I knew what I was doing , I was happy and I didn't care what anybody else was saying or doing Now that I spent all my money , I don't know what the eff I'm doing half the time , I'm also frustrated a good deal of the time trying to remember how to do stuff I knew how to do once in another DAW , and I feel like a Jack of all DAW's and a Master on NONE .. There, I hoped that information helped you out FWIW , I wouldn't worry about Deals ....they will always be out there Be Happy my Friend and Enjoy doing your Music ...in the long run that state of mind is way more important Kenny
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Mesh
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 11:49:45
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I think my dilemma is (being a hobbyist with limited funds to feed it) I've been saving up to get a 'starter' bass guitar, and then we have these DAW sales. I think most are expiring at the end of this year. Being mostly a musician (rather than an engineer).....the bass is calling me. All in all, I think I just may have to get both ......just not at the same time and possibly starting with the DAW. ATM, it's between Studio one and Mixcraft I appreciate everyone's comments/views.....it did help sort out my fence situ.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 12:01:05
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/12/12 12:22:14
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 13:01:30
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/12/12 13:12:54
Mesh,
Keep using Sonar, but, at the very least, start planning ahead. Reaper will work forever without paying, but you'll have to endure the Nag screen for 5 seconds. It's a great way to get your feet wet learning another DAW without any out of pocket expense until you're ready to purchase. And, if you decide it's right for you, it's only $60!
Now, IF I were you, and I had the funds, I'd take the Samplitude Deal currently being offered. There is just WAY TOO MUCH there for the price to not take it. You get
Samplitude Pro X3 Independence Full Vandal Amp Sim Full - $149 retail Analog Modeling Suite - $149 retail 24 Virtual Instruments - $39.99 Each The upgraded True Peak version Limiter Izotope Mastering Suite Soudforge Pro 11 - $399 retail SpectraLayers Pro 4 - $399 retail
And a TON more...and Pro X4 is probably not far off.
IMO, Samplitude is THE most underrated DAW out there. It's big brother, "Sequoia" is used in many production houses. And, from what I've read, Magix is currently hiring new developers for their products.
Now, if you don't want all that, then go the Studio One 3 route, which gives you alot also, and has an abundance of tutorials, and Version 4 is apparently not far off.
The bottom line is YOU have to decide what's BEST for YOU!
One thing I know for SURE...there are ALWAYS more sales!!!
(that being said, I don't think this Sampitude Deal will repeat, but I've been wrong before)
You can always use Virtual Bass until you can get one also, and sometimes you end up getting a better deal!!
Also, you can use your guitar to play the bass parts, and convert it to MIDI to drive a Bass VI. There's ALWAYS a way!
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Mesh
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 13:20:12
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☄ Helpfulby cclarry 2017/12/12 13:25:26
Larry, after reading your post......I am Pleading the 5th and decline to make any comments that might incriminate me in suffering the penalty of GAS.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 14:27:14
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No panic here... I'm simply enjoying using something other than SONAR for a change... Quite refreshing actually...
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 15:23:04
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/12/12 19:01:45
Mesh, I feel your pain. Something that you could do is get the bass and Tracktion Waveform Basic. No extra plugins with Basic but you know and I know that won't be a problem. It's only $50 now with the Cakewalk offer. That way you only spend $50 to get moving towards the future without Sonar. A bigger expenditure puts a certain amount of pressure on to learn it. The $50 shouldn't really nag at you and you still aren't stuck in a relationship that you know is going to end without you having any options. Besides, if a guy needs a new guitar...come on, why are we even talking about that.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/12 21:37:37
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/12/13 12:06:45
Mesh , You play guitar plus you have all the Midi Guitar stuff including Midi Bass right? The more more I think about your situation , the more I think you need to get a Bass If you get a Bass you can put your own playing stamp on all your music . Then you don't have to use all the lame sounding Bass parts that come with 3 rd party loop and sample content ... Now don't get me wrong some 3rd party Bass stuff sounds good , the thing is you will be able to copy /learn what you like and leave the rest ...VIA Cafeteria Style Also you may have real Blast spending time learning and playing the bass ... OK , Guitar players line up to the left ...sheeeshhh , that line goes for miles ... OK bass players line up to the right ...that line is much shorter We all know that finding a good bass player and keeping one is hard because bass players are always in demand all the best , Kenny
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/13 12:06:39
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kennywtelejazz Mesh , You play guitar plus you have all the Midi Guitar stuff including Midi Bass right? The more more I think about your situation , the more I think you need to get a Bass If you get a Bass you can put your own playing stamp on all your music . Then you don't have to use all the lame sounding Bass parts that come with 3 rd party loop and sample content ... Now don't get me wrong some 3rd party Bass stuff sounds good , the thing is you will be able to copy /learn what you like and leave the rest ...VIA Cafeteria Style Also you may have real Blast spending time learning and playing the bass ... OK , Guitar players line up to the left ...sheeeshhh , that line goes for miles ... OK bass players line up to the right ...that line is much shorter We all know that finding a good bass player and keeping one is hard because bass players are always in demand all the best , Kenny
Kenny, you know me well. I'm actually very lucky in knowing and appreciating this excellent bass player who's always available & willing.....it's just that some of the stuff I do doesn't really call for the quality work he does.....Bapu knows who I'm talking about . I'm totally a hands on type and always wanted a real bass to back up my guitar work. Third party stuff has always left me on the short end of the stick, and there's nothing like having a real instrument in your hands......thumping that low end......you know, it's feeling that power thing lol. I'm not much of a keyboard player and although Midi Guitar is fantastic, it always comes back to playing the "real thing". Anyway, my plan is to get them both!! I'll start out with the DAW as I don't want to miss out on this deal train (even if they'll have it again later), and the bass is next......a used one or a cheap new one. There's no hurry on the bass as that also has to be tested out. I appreciate all your posts Kenny, you're always very helpful IMO......thanks!!
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/13 13:30:06
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☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2017/12/13 13:53:28
Yeah it's been a weird process coming to terms with all the possibilities. Personally, I took advantage of a BF sale and topped my Reason license up to 10, as I was on 7 and a lot has happened up in Sweden in the past couple of years. Not a lot of people seem to talk about it much around here but it's a remarkable product in many ways, very creative and fun and deeper than most seem to realize. Then I plopped down a whopping $29 for Mixbus, I figured hey, worth a look at that price, see if the magic fairy dust its enthusiasts go on about is something that will work for me. Then I installed tested a lot of other things. Studio One, Mixcraft, Samplitude... I liked them all in various ways, but none of them was "clicking" for me in the way that others have described above. Studio One was probably closest, but I kind of couldn't quite decide between that and the greater depth (and apparent complexity) of Samplitude. Oh, and I poked my nose around Live a bit more - I have a license for 9 Suite, which I hardly use at all, long story, I know it's a remarkable program but I somehow can't imagine using it as a main workhorse. Then I updated and fired up my Reaper demo that I've had installed for years, occasionally kicked the tires a bit but never actually did any work in, and my mind was quite blown. Reaper is *insane*. I think it's as deep as anything out there, deeper than most when you include all the add-ons available, mostly for free... plus, the efficiency and stability of the code is unbelievable, and the pace of development simply breathtaking. And the community seems very cool, on par with this one if a bit nerdier... It didn't take me long to realize that it's the one for me to gradually move towards. License bought, decision made. So now like Bapu (and a few others around these parts) I have an embarrassmet of riches: SPlat, Reaper, Reason, Live, Mixbus... I think that will be enough for me for the foreseeable future! The sales on S1 and Samp (and Cubase, and DP!) are very tempting but so is not having to explain to my wife why I need 7 (or 8 or 9!) DAWs when I already have 5 perfectly good ones... So I upgraded my Toneboosters to BusTools3 instead - that'll cover me for some of the Cake plugs that don't port over (Adaptive, couple of others; I never used the Nomad stuff much anyway). I think otherwise I'm pretty covered.
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Re: With all the DAWS available.....
2017/12/13 18:12:56
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I considered Cubase Pro 9.5 - but my needs don't really require it. Looked at Studio One (nope), Performer (nope), Mixbus, Mixcraft (nope, nope). I've mainly been using REAPER more and more. Does pretty much everything I want, and after using it - most other DAWS feel extremely "heavy". That said - there are some rough edges. I updated my Cubase Elements 8 to Elements 9.5 ($19) to have it around when I want to work in a slick GUI (just my preference) So I spent a whopping $19. I didn't need to update my $60 copy of REAPER that's been good for years and years.
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