Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do?

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2018/02/22 17:29:25 (permalink)

Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do?

Hi all
I've pulled a perfectly functional Echo Layla 24 PCI card from an old machine and would like it to work for me on a much newer one.
However, different slots such as PCI express confront me.
 
I'm unable to find an adapter in my country, so before I spend money overseas I'm hoping there be someone out there who has successfully found a solution to this rather major annoyance. I know the alternatives (new interface, use older computer etc) but have a specific reason for wanting to continue with the Layla if at all possible.
 
Many thanks
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    fireberd
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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/02/22 21:22:57 (permalink)
    In many cases the PCI slots are "bridged" to the PCIe bus and many PCI devices do not work or work properly with a bridged PCI slot.  I would think a PCI to PCIe adapter would be the same way.
     
    Along with the hardware is the device Win 10 compatible?

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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/02/22 21:42:47 (permalink)
    Hi Fireberd
    Yes, Layla 24 works just fine with its old drivers on Win 10. Echo made good stuff when they made good stuff!
     

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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/02/24 12:32:26 (permalink)
    There is reason you can buy a  Echo Layla 24 on eBay for 50 dollars. 
    There's also a reason Echo audio has decided not support that card anymore.
    We do not currently support Windows 10 and have no plans to update our drivers."
     
    I don't know of anyway to bypass this issue even if you could get it to work but caution.. If you pay for parts and shipping then find out its not compatible, well your going to be upset.
     
    See its not just about the windows drivers with the layla24, some chipsets have also been an issue on certain motherboards.
    On those older boards the PCI slots used a native chipset. As in they had their own dedicated chipset handling the data to and from the CPU. .
     
    newer motherboards don't have the same type of PCI standard. They still have PCI slots but now they are what is called "Bridged"
    Which means your data is taking a detour to a chipset intended to process data from the newer PCI slots.
     
     
     

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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/02/24 16:12:25 (permalink)
    M-Audio cards will work on recent boards.
    There are plenty of decent budget USB interfaces. 
    Echo no longer makes audio interfaces.

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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/02/24 16:37:11 (permalink)
    Similar thread http://forum.cakewalk.com/FindPost/3479655. Take note of msg #7. I doubt the situation is any better today.
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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/02/25 01:45:12 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info guys'; appreciated. However, my despair at losing Layla has just been overshadowed by my delight at the news of the purchase of Sonar by BandLab. Let's hope they are not spreading themselves too thinly.
    Cheers
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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/02/25 07:42:08 (permalink)
    I'm not going to do anything, because I don't know much about it.
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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/02/28 17:31:17 (permalink)
    I have used a PCIe to PCI adapter for Layla24. It is this model:
     
    https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Express-Adapter-Card-PEX1PCI1/dp/B0024CV3SA/ref=sr_1_1/146-8302228-6006247?ie=UTF8&qid=1502036044&sr=8-1&keywords=PEX1PCI1
     
    I still have both the Layla 3G and the 24. I originally picked up the adapter to use the Layla24 as extra inputs for the RME through ADAT. To my surprise it worked perfectly. I have to admit that I never really stressed the setup so I can't speak to performance under heavy load.
     
    I have since uninstalled it because I don't have a need for 16 ins and outs.
     

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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/02/28 17:59:51 (permalink)
    Hi Tunedeaf
    Thanks for the tip. I found something similar (and a good deal cheaper) in Singapore. However, should it not arrive/work, it's good to know this thing is out there and does work. The Layla24 is for a machine I use for bulk-recording cassettes. I do a lot of restoration work and the Layla is perfect for that task.
    Question: Is the power cable needed?
     
    Thanks, David

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    Re: Old Interface, New Slots, What to Do? 2018/03/01 13:31:27 (permalink)
    I used the power connector and didn't think to try it without. The 3G is compatible with a 3.3 or 5 volt slot but the 24/96 is 5 volt so I would assume the power connector is needed.
     
    If you are referring to the ac power cable I think that is required.

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