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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 11:32:49 (permalink)
So, I'd like Cakewalk Pro Audio 10::.
Remember that SONAR 1 was the evolution of Pro Audio 9 (circa 2001). I loved that name.
Thanks for the update!
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 12:48:20 (permalink)
Thanks for the update Meng, I am looking forward to see what happens!  

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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 13:35:41 (permalink)
Welcome and thanks for the good news :)
Really excited to see what's coming next !
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 14:29:19 (permalink)
Thanks for the update! Looking forward to this! Glad you all are making good progress. 
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 14:59:17 (permalink)
Thanks for the update! Nice to have a musician at the wheel and not an empty suit :) 
Feels good to be able to use the product again without any major worries. 
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 15:17:44 (permalink)
Thanks for the update - much appreciated.


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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 15:37:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby MarianoGF 2018/03/05 16:41:01
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So, I'd like Cakewalk Pro Audio 10::.
Remember that SONAR 1 was the evolution of Pro Audio 9 (circa 2001). I loved that name.
Thanks for the update!

OMG, I was thinking about it yesterday! CWPA10 (or CWPAX ;) ). I'd really like it!
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 15:47:00 (permalink)
I love continuity but hey do what you gotta do!
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 17:35:26 (permalink)
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Hello everyone :-)

I hope you don't mind me jumping in and writing a note to everyone here. The positive messages (with many questions of course!) have been really kind and I believe I speak for everyone on the BandLab team in saying thank you.  This community is really incredible and we're honoured to be here and to be part of building the future of Cakewalk and SONAR. 
 
We're now in the process of transition and migration of data, trademarks, build processes and other fun administrative things that are necessary when deals like this happen - but it's important for you all to know that we feel that the people in the community (especially the lifetime fans and users of the product) are the reason this incredible product has been around for more than 30 years and will live on many more into the future, so I'll try and stop in personally as much as I can to say hello and make sure questions are answered about the transition where possible.
 
An important thing we strongly believe in is to be as open and transparent as we are able to be - once the product roadmap and more information on our plans are ready within the new establishment, you guys will be the first to know. We'll keep updating the Announcement FAQ as often as we have something to update, but I quickly wanted to address a key concern I saw in and amongst the threads so far and immediately reassure everyone that even though the suite of Cakewalk & SONAR products is now within a new company, our steadfast goal is that former SONAR owners (of all versions) will not need to spend any money to cross-over/cross-grade to the future flagship product. 
 
As you can imagine, there is some complexity in this, and I am currently personally working through all of the agreements that have a $ per unit or % dollar amount and negotiating to remove them on the go-forward to ensure this is possible. We only have 2 left to go - they are specific replaceable bits of code and are a nice to have, but hopefully this moves quickly. If it's not something that can be achieved, we'll replace them with either our own technology or work with other partners who want to be part of future releases.

This may be TMI, but I thought it may be valuable for you guys to have some insight on what's already going on outside of changing passwords and rebuilding tables. 
 
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In other news, I'm also very happy to let you guys know that Noel Borthwick and Ben Staton will be joining our engineering team and we're actively looking for talent to expand our team further (PM if interested!).

I was very fortunate to get to know Noel through the process, and as our conversations developed I was very pleased to find someone whose experience and personal vision on the world of music creation matched the aggressive one that our team has here at BandLab Technologies. It didn't hurt either that he promised to teach me jazz guitar...  
 
With Ben, his passion for the project and personal story of joining Cakewalk from having started off as being a superfan really resonated with us and I'm very much looking foward to working with him too. We strongly believe that the best products come from thinking solely about what one would want as a user/consumer - it's a huge advantage to be one yourself.
 
There's a lot more we'll be able to share soon, and reading through all the posts here and around the web - I've seen nothing but love (famous last words ) for Cakewalk, SONAR and the community that has supported it over the years through good times and bad.

I think I'd better not say anymore, we'd rather under-promise and over-deliver, than over-promise and let you guys down.  I hope you'll give our team a chance to earn your respect and for us to make great music together for many years to come.

With sincere regards,
 
Meng
 
p.s I will take responsibility for mistakenly coding in "Hello, Bakers"!!  It won't happen again... 
 
---- UPDATE 3/3/2018 ----
 
Just wanted to drop everybody a note for the start of the weekend. Thank you again for the words of encouragement and support, it means a lot to the team and gets everyone excited! A lot of progress has been made this week and I'm looking forward to being able to share details with all of you officially in the coming weeks :-)
 
In the past week, a lot of things have now been finalized and I'm excited to say that this will allow us to get the first iteration of our the new flagship product into circulation much sooner than expected. What I can confirm today (and apologies to those who are big fans of it) is that it won't be called SONAR.
 
For the time being, we can all refer to it as TDDFKAS (The Desktop DAW Formerly Known As SONAR)  until we have a proper announcement about it.
 
Though I am a big fan of the name, I mentioned in my first note that there are some issues with continuing to use the name SONAR. For those who want to know why - apart from the problems with SEO, the complexity in the way the IP was transacted (not taking on the ongoing company) means that it could be altogether too confusing to have SONAR as the name for people who had done business with the previous company as well as in parallel with the legacy site which we would like to keep up for reference.
 
The plus side of this, however, is that the new installation will not affect your older versions of SPLAT (not the new name haha).
 
We've already got a firm timeline in mind internally already and are prepping our press releases & announcements which will be within the next 4-6 weeks, if not sooner. Can't wait to share with you all (especially existing SONAR users) what lies ahead for our beloved DAW - in case you've missed my posts around the place, it will absolutely be a desktop application so please don't worry about it becoming (cloud/web)-only. 

Have a great weekend!
Meng


Wonderful news Meng!

Thanks for sharing with us so quickly...

The name is so trivial to me... In fact, i was not particularly pleased with it to begin with but as now, it is the product i care for, not the name!

Very excited to hear the next news and looking forward to a bright future together!

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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 17:39:58 (permalink)
I started with Twelve Tone Systems back in the day & will continue making my music with the software no matter what it's renamed to.
Just pleased to hear it will still be around.
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 17:51:21 (permalink)
Looking forward to see what you do with the company. Best of luck and very generous of BandLab to offer free upgrade to the new named DAW to all Sonar owners. Way to go to.

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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 19:17:06 (permalink)
Reading the recent "update" regarding a new installation program will we be able to open current cakewalk projects in the new DAW? and what about the ProChannel modules we have purchased, will they still be compatible? 

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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 19:37:56 (permalink)
Thanks Meng, you're a real hero!
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 20:55:23 (permalink)
Thanks for the update!  (Waiting with baited breath.) I don't know what that means but I've heard it all my life.
I'm a long time user  of Sonar at least 20 years.  Hope it's another 20.TDDFKAS
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/03 21:27:24 (permalink)
Hello Meng!
Hello Bandlab!
Hello Sonar resurrected!
 
I'd never heard of Bandlab, but you seem like the perfect match for Sonar - a vital and forward thinking company with vision.
 
When I saw Sonar's death notice, I ran as from a beloved but crazy ex-wife. Since then, moving on with my life, I've been using Reaper. I'm not at all disappointed with either the product or the community. It hasn't crashed once, despite my fumbling through the learning curve. It hasn't once lost my MIDI or audio connections. It satisfies my basic needs.
 
But, seeing as how my crazy ex is getting help, I'm looking forward to a possible rapprochement.
 
Towards that end, I'd like to echo what others have said - PLEASE! Fix the instabilities and shortcomings of the existing product BEFORE adding features!
 
Here's hoping for Happily Ever After!
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/03 21:39:16 (permalink)
Oh man, I can't wait :)
 
Thanks for the update!

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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 22:24:45 (permalink)
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(Waiting with baited breath.) I don't know what that means but I've heard it all my life.
Probably from fishermen?  I'm waiting with bated breath for more good news.



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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 23:23:39 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby cparmerlee 2018/03/04 06:25:47
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I'm waiting with bated breath for more good news.

Oh, English you quirky melting pot you! Yes, "bated", IIRC is a deprecated form of the modern word abated, so as to say "I'm holding my breath". (Which, as a brass player, is probably something you prefer not to do.)

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/03 23:25:29 (permalink)
Great news! As long as I don't have to sink a chunk of money into a new BandLab/Cakewalk/Whatever It Will Be Called product, I will gladly switch back as long as it works as well as Sonar Platinum does and all of my current projects still work. 
 
After Gibson announced it was killing off Cakewalk, I invested in Pro Tools and a lot of education to make sure I could use it to its fullest. I don't want to sound like I'm knocking PT, it's a great product, but Sonar Platinum is just so much nicer to use and does not have the glitches/crashes, or is as much of a resource hog as PT can be on the PC platform. The only thing I found that I use constantly where PT has an edge is in its Midi editing capabilities and how you are able to change some things in your tracks. Sonar has a much better midi event list editor though.
 
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/03 23:27:36 (permalink)
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Thanks for the update!  (Waiting with baited breath.) I don't know what that means but I've heard it all my life.
I'm a long time user  of Sonar at least 20 years.  Hope it's another 20.TDDFKAS



Heh!  Bated - as in abated, held - suspended. Bated breath is a held breath waiting for some suspenseful event to resolve. This is definitely a Bated Breath moment. :D

hmmm - Bated DAW....   Nah.

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/03 23:31:21 (permalink)
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Great news! As long as I don't have to sink a chunk of money into a new BandLab/Cakewalk/Whatever It Will Be Called product, I will gladly switch back as long as it works as well as Sonar Platinum does and all of my current projects still work. 
 
After Gibson announced it was killing off Cakewalk, I invested in Pro Tools and a lot of education to make sure I could use it to its fullest. I don't want to sound like I'm knocking PT, it's a great product, but Sonar Platinum is just so much nicer to use and does not have the glitches/crashes, or is as much of a resource hog as PT can be on the PC platform. The only thing I found that I use constantly where PT has an edge is in its Midi editing capabilities and how you are able to change some things in your tracks. Sonar has a much better midi event list editor though.



So here is the thing - as a lifetime update "owner" I'm reluctant to spend huge sums to get a new name for my DAW. THAT SAID - I want the new DAW to be totally awesome and worth spending big bucks on... and in the long run, I just might be willing to spend money for new features and functions.
 

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/04 00:13:38 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2018/03/04 00:44:57
Files are going to be 100% compatible and we're not making any big changes in the first release. As Meng mentioned earlier, we prefer to under promise and over deliver. Somehow I think users are going to be pleasantly surprised however :)

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/04 00:21:59 (permalink)
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Files are going to be 100% compatible and we're not making any big changes in the first release. As Meng mentioned earlier, we prefer to under promise and over deliver. Somehow I think users are going to be pleasantly surprised however :)


Thanks Noel, good to hear :-) 

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/04 00:58:15 (permalink)
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Files are going to be 100% compatible and we're not making any big changes in the first release. As Meng mentioned earlier, we prefer to under promise and over deliver. Somehow I think users are going to be pleasantly surprised however :)


I guess the important thing in a business sense is to get everything rolling and the product live again. Hearing the timescale was reassuring, because you can't simply recreate a new DAW in the that time based on the technology Meng has acquired.
 
I guess I'm expecting  the same sonar in a new BandLab Theme, with fixes and new features that were already in development at the time of the Cake's closure. The more new features you can squeeze in the more of a new product and the bigger the fresh release will feel from a marketing approach.
 
 
 
 
 

 
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/04 01:02:07 (permalink)
Super news again,Meng. I could care less about the name.  Though I suppose a good name makes it more marketable which helps your company continue.
 
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/04 01:23:35 (permalink)
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Reading the recent "update" regarding a new installation program will we be able to open current cakewalk projects in the new DAW? and what about the ProChannel modules we have purchased, will they still be compatible? 




Noel - On the subject of ProChannel modules, will they be back on sale at any point? I really fancied getting the PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor.
 
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Re: Hello from BandLab [Updated 3/3/2018] 2018/03/04 01:39:47 (permalink)
Maybe it's going to bundled along with the concrete limiter.

 
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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/04 05:17:32 (permalink)
I'm with Jonesy on his iteration of the new DAW name. Great idea Jonesy.
My laptop is dying a slow death at the moment and I have been seriously researching alternative DAW products so I could make a change. Now, however, my favorite DAW is making a comeback and I'm glad I've waited this long before making a change. I'm looking forward to what the future brings and REALLY glad I can port my old projects into the upcoming software.
I do have a question. My current version of Sonar is 32bit. Will this new software be available in a 32bit version, and/or, is it possible to change to a 64bit version of this new program and port my old projects over from a 32bit version? I don't know if this was even possible with the old Sonar, but I would dearly love to be able to do this now that my hand is being forced in regards to my dying laptop.

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Re: Hello from BandLab 2018/03/04 05:29:15 (permalink)
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Files are going to be 100% compatible and we're not making any big changes in the first release. As Meng mentioned earlier, we prefer to under promise and over deliver. Somehow I think users are going to be pleasantly surprised however :)




Noel, will there be a new version of the Cakewalk Store? Will ProChannel modules again be available?
 
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