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I did not know that...Cool Feature

I've been using Sonar since X1 through Splat. Recently I purchased a Corsair Gaming Mouse for Studio One with 12 X 3 programmable buttons. I was going to program some of the buttons to bring up the various tools and found accidently that if you push the scroll wheel, the tool menu appeared and you could select any of the 15 tools w/o dragging the cursor to the menu bar, or reaching over for the number keys.
 
I tried this with a plain vanilla, wood burning mouse and it did the same thing. I also tried it in Sonar and it also brought up the tool menu. If everyone else already knew this, then I must have been living under a rock. (Although I do play some). I googled it and it did not show up.
 
So I hope maybe this tip might help somebody else.
 
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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/10 18:07:24 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2018/03/11 18:28:22
It works with my propane mouse also.

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/10 18:17:32 (permalink)
I think you might be surprised but that shortcut has been there since X1.
It brings up the tools hud.

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/10 18:22:45 (permalink)
I have been talking about game keyboards/mouses for years here...what is really cool about the 12x3 function keys (I have on my keyboard) is I set up different DAWs with function keys that do pretty much the same things...so when I bounce between DAWs  things are pretty much the same.  the 1st group is for Sonar, the 2nd group is for Cubase, the 3rd is for Sibelius.  Things like "Quantize", "Insert", "Time Sig" "Insert Tempo Change"  are the same buttons in all three programs.
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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/10 18:37:02 (permalink)
chuckebaby
I think you might be surprised but that shortcut has been there since X1.
It brings up the tools hud.


 
How come you never told me! 





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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/10 23:33:40 (permalink)
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II also tried it in Sonar and it also brought up the tool menu. If everyone else already knew this, then I must have been living under a rock. (Although I do play some). I googled it and it did not show up.
 
So I hope maybe this tip might help somebody else.
 
Walt



I did not know that either, Walt. Press scroll wheel once, it appears where your cursor is, press again, it goes away. This promises to be a huge workflow enhancement. Kewl! Thanks, Walt and of course the Bakers who put it there waaay back in X1!

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 00:54:38 (permalink)
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chuckebaby
I think you might be surprised but that shortcut has been there since X1.
It brings up the tools hud.


 
How come you never told me! 




Sorry if I seem like the party pooper.
It’s just not much of a surprise that’s all.
But I’m glad you shared it with others as it seems some had no idea

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 01:20:32 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/03/11 11:02:54
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chuckebaby
I think you might be surprised but that shortcut has been there since X1.
It brings up the tools hud.


 
How come you never told me! 




Sorry if I seem like the party pooper.

 
I never got that impression. I look forward to your posts!
chuckebaby
It’s just not much of a surprise that’s all.

I actually read all 2800 pages of the Sonar User Guide. I most likely read about that feature, but my head has only so much RAM... You should see how many tips and trips I record in Microsoft One Note for reference.
chuckebaby
But I’m glad you shared it with others as it seems some had no idea



Yay!!
 
I'm sure there a lot of other stuff that I don't about in Sonar.
 
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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 01:30:39 (permalink)
I was clueless as well.
Go figure?
 
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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 02:37:01 (permalink)
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I was clueless as well.
Go figure?
 
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I feel a little redeemed! I think I'll start a Saturday "Tip of the Week" of stuff that I find out by accident...
 
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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 10:48:49 (permalink)
um, click.....whoop....yep.......one of those cool features you discover accidently, and probably dont tell anyone because you assume eveyone else knows about it!!!

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 10:54:31 (permalink)
And probably another example of why this forum is so much better than some hude database of documentation.

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 11:12:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jude77 2018/03/12 16:03:18
Wally,
These are the ones that really upped my production..
 
The tool shortcuts
Smart tool-F5
Select tool-F6
Move tool-F7
Cycle through Edit tools (Edit/Timing/Split)-F8
Cycle through Draw tools (Freehand/Line/Sine/Triangle/Square/Saw/Random)-F9
Cycle through Erase tools (Erase/Mute)-F10
Turn Snap on/off- N
Change Dock tabs (Dock views)- CNTRL+SHIFT+ < or >
 
There are so many awesome ones. Matter of fact the thing I found most disturbing about using another DAW is learning new shortcuts that aren't even close to Sonars.
 
I've read plenty of your comments on this forum. Your a good guy man. Good thread too.
 

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 12:33:35 (permalink)
A simple and very effective control surface/mouse replacement is something like the Contour Designs Shuttle Pro 2.

https://www.bhphotovideo....OV2_ShuttlePRO_v2.html

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 12:45:59 (permalink)
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I was clueless as well.
Go figure?
 
T


I feel a little redeemed! I think I'll start a Saturday "Tip of the Week" of stuff that I find out by accident...
 
Walt


If you’re serious about it just keep it on hold a little while longer till this forum’s future is sorted. By all means create your info and sort it ready to publish. Once we’re set you’ll have a head start.

Over in the Software forum there’s the Sonar Resources and Utilities sticky that is full of member contributions.
Currently I moderate that thread along with Elffin. I’d really like to see it keep going and expanded. I had discussed with Craig Anderton about putting the members tips (that often came out in his Tip of the week thread), into their own little place over there. I’m confident that we’ll be able to do it so hang on a bit.

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 13:18:15 (permalink)
Yeah cool and cool, that shuttle pro thang looks cool, ide get one of those if i was actually a sound engineer...meaning, im mainly a musician barely past the record,fast forward rewind stage...however i find this forum extremely entertaining, and educational.......i should probably shut the **** up, but i dig the sesne of community here!!!

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 18:15:02 (permalink)
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Wally,
These are the ones that really upped my production..
 
The tool shortcuts
Smart tool-F5
Select tool-F6
Move tool-F7
Cycle through Edit tools (Edit/Timing/Split)-F8
Cycle through Draw tools (Freehand/Line/Sine/Triangle/Square/Saw/Random)-F9
Cycle through Erase tools (Erase/Mute)-F10
Turn Snap on/off- N
Change Dock tabs (Dock views)- CNTRL+SHIFT+ < or >
 
There are so many awesome ones. Matter of fact the thing I found most disturbing about using another DAW is learning new shortcuts that aren't even close to Sonars.

 
Those I knew about. I try to stay away from the keyboard though, because I have arthritis in my shoulders. Doesn't affect my accordion playing, but it somewhat hurts to raise my arms up.
 
chuckebaby  
 
I've read plenty of your comments on this forum. Your a good guy man....
 



That goes for you too, chuckebaby!
 
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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 18:25:44 (permalink)
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I was clueless as well.
Go figure?
 
T


I feel a little redeemed! I think I'll start a Saturday "Tip of the Week" of stuff that I find out by accident...
 
Walt


If you’re serious about it just keep it on hold a little while longer till this forum’s future is sorted.....




Anybody who knows me, can vouch that I don't have a serious bone in my body.  
 
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I couldn't help it. I made the metal run in the shape of a Band-Aid.....
 
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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 18:28:18 (permalink)
That Contour Designs Shuttle Pro 2 and the ShuttleXpress (the smaller one) Looks intriguing to me.
Can you use it as a midi controller to shuttle within Sonar ? 

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 18:37:28 (permalink)
WallyG
 
Those I knew about. I try to stay away from the keyboard though, because I have arthritis in my shoulders. Doesn't affect my accordion playing, but it somewhat hurts to raise my arms up.




I hear ya Wally. I have similar issues myself.
I bought a used Mackie Control MCU off Craigslist for 175.00 USA bucks about 2 years ago and it has been possibly the best investment I have ever made, as far as a studio hardware upgrade goes.
 
It has 8 buttons that can be assigned to do almost anything within sonar, along with a button for every View.
Motorized faders, pan knobs, exc.
The thing I like most about it is Sonar has made upgrades to MCU and Alexys got a Mackie Control add on that he designed so communication between Sonar and Mackie controller is very stable and tight along with deep button assignment features. I also have 2 footswitches plugged in to the back of it for Punch recording and cycle dock tabs. but even those can be assigned to almost anything.
A hardware/control surface is the thing that really helped me most. because of fatigue and soreness. along with fact that once upon a time.. we came from the old school, where we only had buttons and knobs.
So it makes me feel more comfortable in that sense.

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/11 20:59:51 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/03/12 10:41:27
chuckebaby
That Contour Designs Shuttle Pro 2 and the ShuttleXpress (the smaller one) Looks intriguing to me.
Can you use it as a midi controller to shuttle within Sonar ? 


I took a quick look at some of the videos for the CDSP 2 and I'm considering one for one of my other computers that I use for Photoshop and Video Editing. One of the videos gave a code DVZN20 that if you order from Contour Design with get you a 20% discount. Not sure if it's still valid, but worth giving it a shot if you're going to purchase.
 
Also found some comments in the Sonar forum dating back to 2008 with Scott G giving reviews on the Shuttle Pro.
 
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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/12 02:24:46 (permalink)
I missed this, probably because I use a trackball that has no scroll button. But I use the keyboard all the time for shortcuts anyway. I also have ergonomic concerns so I have both the keyboard and trackball on drawers/platforms mounted lower than the desk surface.
 
I did have the ShuttleXpress for years and really liked it. I only dropped it when I got better with keyboard shortcuts (LOL go figure). I also needed the real estate on my desktop to make way for a MIDI keyboard controller.

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/12 02:59:12 (permalink)
Just been using the click-mouse-wheel shortcut... so speedy! Click- tools module appears at cursor. Click on tool, module disappears. So slick! Thank you, Bakers and buddies!

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/12 15:53:15 (permalink)
Thanks for the scroll wheel tip. I can't say I've read all the SONAR documentation, but I've been through enough of it to wonder why I hadn't seen this before. Just now I did a search to see how this feature is described. Here's one of the references: "You can press the middle mouse button to open the Tools HUD." I think I may have read this before and thought "my mouse doesn't have a middle button -- that's where the scroll wheel is." 

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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/12 16:11:02 (permalink)
I realized a LOOOOONG time ago that I only scratch the surface of SONAR's capabilites.  I used to faithfully by Scott Garrius' books, but then I realized I was only scratching the the surface of them as well, so stuff like this is always welcome.
 
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Re: I did not know that...Cool Feature 2018/03/12 19:20:09 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/03/12 20:55:42
chuckebaby That Contour Designs Shuttle Pro 2 and the ShuttleXpress (the smaller one) Looks intriguing to me.  Can you use it as a midi controller to shuttle within Sonar ?

That reminds me, one of last Sonar updates included support for the Microsoft Dial, https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/accessories/surface-dial.  It was introduced at the same time the latest Surface Pro was.

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