Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question

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Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question

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Re: Studio Instruments Strings, I am very impressed with the sound. But having only part of the range of the three instruments available is very limiting. for example, the violins only play from the C above Middle C on up. Below that C, the cellos kick in. A similar situation with the cellos not having the lower part of their range, which is taken over by the basses. There are no violas, but I can live without them, I have other options. But the violins and cellos are absolutely gorgeous, better in fact than any I have. But only part of their range is available. So unfortunate. I realize they are meant to cover songs primarily, and not as dedicated string groups for classical music. But they are so good!
 
This is probably futile, but I wonder if there is any way to get those missing notes somehow? Perhaps some adjustment on the synth? although I didn't see any way to do that. If not, I hope whoever makes this synth can keep in mind for a future release to give us the full palette. Good strings are really hard to come by, and these are simply amazing.

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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 04:03:53 (permalink)
    Hi Michael . . . it's true, I've always found all the cakewalk studio instruments to be somewhat underestimated.
    Myself, I've found the studio instrument drums really stand out . . . even though I have many other drum options, the projects where I've used the SI drums . . . well, I keep comparing, and why do they sound so good in a mix, with no extra EQ and fussing about needed ?
     
    As for the SI strings, I see what you're saying about the limitations, and the missing sample ranges for orchestral music. I'm assuming they were created by Cakewalk themselves many years ago (?), so there must be something that could be done regarding upgrading them . . . just have to make some noise I guess, and hope the new regime will see the value.

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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 04:14:05 (permalink)
    Studio Instruments is a collection of sfz engine synths like Dimension Pro (one you may already be familiar with). While it is not possible to add programs, the sfz files used by the existing programs may be altered. Sfz files are plain text files that may be opened in any text editor.
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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 04:17:58 (permalink)
    amazing

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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 04:22:45 (permalink)
    Not as much as BL giving back some of their tip jar but yeah, there is quite a bit that can be done to mess with the SI synths. One thing I have not looked at is copying the file sfz files and samples into RPro or DPro. I have done that with CSC files.
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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 05:16:41 (permalink)
    Maybe I should do a features request? If Bandlab has the original files, they may be able to alter the synth and make it full-featured. They could even charge for it, I would certainly pay for it.

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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 05:29:21 (permalink)
    Possibly or they may suggest Rapture Pro, the successor to DPro. There are quite a few libraries already available for it. Many of the libraries run in DPro too. DSF made a lot of expansion packs. They have sales often.
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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 17:08:54 (permalink)
    Thanks again, Scook The Incredible. I will try to do some research and see if I can figure out what strings set was used in SI Strings. Maybe the St Thomas one? If I could figure that out, I may be home free. I have Dim Pro from my old Sonar 8.5, so I could hopefully add it as an xpnsn pack. Or maybe one of those packs will be just as good. The string section in Dim Pro is not that good. I do use some high violins now and then, but the SI Strings are far superior. Or maybe Rapture Pro has some good stuff. I only have the lite version. Like I said, I need to do some research. If I find something significant I'll let you know.

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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 17:13:42 (permalink)
    Actually, now that I think of it, I could have Rapture Pro from 8.5 Producer. I never installed it. Maybe I could add some xpnsn packs to that?
     

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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 17:15:37 (permalink)
    Not sure about the source of the SI samples. Sometimes there is manufacturer and copyright information at the top of sfz files.
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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 17:17:03 (permalink)
    It would only be Rapture Michael, Rapture Pro was a separate purchase which kind of replaced Dim Pro and Rapture.

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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 17:25:29 (permalink)
    Rapture is more the synthesizer side of the Cakewalk sfz plug-ins. DPro is the acoustic instrument plug-in.
     
    To confuse things even more is Rapture Session, the Cakewalk Sound Center replacement. Based on Rapture Pro, it includes a sampling of the Rapture Pro content and was added to all the later versions of SONAR. Like Cakewalk Sound Center it is a player plug-in with limited ability to modify the programs. Like Rapture Pro it plays CSC, DPro and Rapture programs too.
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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 17:27:08 (permalink)
    Ah yes, I just found that out, Wookie, via the link someone posted on the List Of Instruments. So what I have is Rapture LE. But it looks like I can get xpnsn packs from DSF and add them to Dim Pro.
     
    Good tip scook, I'll see if I can do some digging.
     
    I know I can spend big bucks for a dedicated library. In fact, I already have one, and it's not enough. And that one is easy to use; some of the others are extremely complex and CPU intensive. I'm always on the lookout for decent strings to add to my arsenal. I find that no single string set works for all situations. You need to mix and match. At least I do.

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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 17:40:32 (permalink)
    You're not losing as much as you might intuitively think, if you look at the ranges of the physical instruments. The lowest note on a violin is G above middle C (C3), so you're losing only 5 semitones off the bottom. Generally speaking, cellos cover that range in a more pleasing way than violins anyhow.
     
    It's common practice for libraries of this type to switch instruments in and out based on note values, purely as a convenience for quick 'n dirty orchestration. Most casual users don't know or care what the ranges of the actual instruments are, just whether it sounds nice. SI Strings and similar instruments are not meant to be a substitute for a proper string library, which would allow you to exploit the full range of each section. Sometimes, you want to intentionally have a bass play something at the extreme high end of its range, for the peculiar tone the instrument gets up there. But if all you want to do is lay down a string pad behind a pop song, you just want to easily achieve a pleasant sound without regard to the intricacies of orchestration.


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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 17:48:14 (permalink)
    Absolutely true, Bitflipper. However, I am one of those people who need the full range of the instrument. While cellos do sound incredible in that range, they also stand out too much in a 4-5 string group texture, where low violins blend in better.
     
    Incidentally, I'm sure you meant that the lowest note on a violin is the G below middle C, right? It does get confusing as to which C is being referred to. I myself never bother with the "correct" name, preferring to refer the notes to a the nearest clef.

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    Re: Studio Instrument Strings: Comments and a Question 2018/04/07 17:52:22 (permalink)
    I just shot an email to the folks at DSF. Hopefully they can point me in thew right direction.

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