PteJack
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[Solved] Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
I have a 42 measures of chord progressions on a midi track that I'm sending through an Arpeggiator (latched from the midi channel.) I want to to create a separate midi track from the result so i can manipulate that. I've seen in other DAWs the ability to arm a midi track and solo play the the midi track I want to down to the record track and the new notes become independent to the recording track. I've tried this in CakeWalk, but the info is not transferred to the track being recorded. Can someone tell me if this is possible in CakeWalk? (or the old Steam Sonar?) Regards...
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/02 05:38:58
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☄ Helpfulby PteJack 2018/05/02 07:00:28
PteJack
I have a 42 measures of chord progressions on a midi track that I'm sending through an Arpeggiator (latched from the midi channel.) I want to to create a separate midi track from the result so i can manipulate that.
When you say "An Arpeggiator", exactly which Arpeggiator are you using? If this is a VST, does it allow you to enable MIDI out? If so , and the Arpeggiator does actually send the MIDI data there, you can than route this MIDI out data to another MIDI track. On that other MIDI track, you do need to make sure it's input echo is enabled so it can receive the MIDI data from the Arpeggiator. If you have enabled MIDI out on the Arpeggiator VST, then that synth will be visible as an input device for your new MIDI track - just pull the drop down at the same place you select that track's MIDI in source. Meldaproduction Mpowersynth is an example of a synth that contains an Arpeggiator that can be successfully routed in this manner. I have tried this on Mpowersynth and what I have described above, does indeed work. I hope this points you in the right direction.
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/02 05:53:08
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☄ Helpfulby PteJack 2018/05/02 07:00:33
If you're using the arpeggiator built in to SONAR, try freezing the synth. You should get an audio track that includes the arpeggiated notes. I'm not a MIDI guy, so I wouldn't know if it's possible to generate an arpeggiated MIDI track. Let us know if you figure that one out.
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PteJack
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/02 07:23:06
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Ok, thank you both for your responses. I don't think I have privileges here to post links or GIFs, but combining your 2 answers I was able to produce what I need. Let's try anyway...  Ok, No, it is not a VST, it is an actual embedded Apeggario effect built into the CakeWalk Midi Inspector. But, As Larry pointed out, Freezing the track produces an Audio/Instrument track and thanks to the built in (or Melodyne) interface, dragging an audio file onto a midi track and CakeWalk will try to produce a midi. In this case, it was exactly what I was looking for.  So again, Thanks!!
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/02 08:21:11
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☄ Helpfulby PteJack 2018/05/02 16:09:26
I don't have CbB installed (although I believe it should work the same), but in Platinum it is that simple: you just select the midi clip (or clips) on the arpeggiator track and bounce it (either via the menu Clips->Bounce to Clip(s), or just press right mouse button on the selected midi clip and choose Bounce to Clip(s)). This will print arpeggiated notes into the selected clips AND will also disable the track arpeggiator, so don't forget to re-enable it when needed.
Although I must admit, freezing audio and getting midi from it with Melodyne is some cool engineering thinking, I wouldn't even think about it in the first place.
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/02 16:11:30
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Hmmm, Thanks Andrey.
I saw what you suggested in a video on the old Cakewalk YouTube channel and I did try Bounce to Clip a couple of times but I think it worked once. The midi produced wasn't what I was looking for and I deleted the track.
I reset the appegario and tried it again, the apeggario would disabled on the track, but no bounce clip was produced. That's when I reached out here to the community for help.
I'll have to try this again.
I've owned the Sonar for a couple of years now and have only tinkered with it. This really is my first real usage to actually try to produce something.
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Larry Jones
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/02 20:37:29
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Good to know you got what you wanted. I've never tried the audio-to-MIDI technique, but I think I've read here reports of it not working very well You might want to edit your title and mark it "solved," for future reference by other users.
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/02 23:32:41
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PteJack
I saw what you suggested in a video on the old Cakewalk YouTube channel and I did try Bounce to Clip a couple of times but I think it worked once. The midi produced wasn't what I was looking for and I deleted the track.
Well, it definitely looks like a bug of some kind, because I checked it several times in Platinum before I posted my reply earlier and it was working. Maybe you should report it. Or maybe they had introduced some button/option/checkbox to turn off this behavior in CbB and you accidentally turned it off (actually this arpeggio-bouncing behavior annoyed me pretty much in SPLAT, so I would be glad if we've finally got the option to disable it). upd: also you might wanna try checking it on a clean project from an empty template, sometimes projects get corrupted in some way and things start to behave weirdly (i had this strange automation envelope delay bug in a couple of my projects creeping from version to version).
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/03 02:00:36
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I'm not too familiar with Rapture ( just tried out a few patches with it ). Does Rapture have a midi out switch - maybe in the synth properties page? If not - maybe you could substitute a synth that does produce midi out, capture the newly produced midi - then port that new midi file back to Rapture. Cool concept of it would work.
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PteJack
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/05 16:18:26
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Larry Jones
Good to know you got what you wanted. I've never tried the audio-to-MIDI technique, but I think I've read here reports of it not working very well You might want to edit your title and mark it "solved," for future reference by other users.
Thanks Larry, I usually do that as soon as I find a solution (forgot this time, Doh!) The midi conversion using drag and drop is usually not a good solution, but in this case because the audio was only one track, one instrument and in cords, it worked great! Had it been an audio mix, like drums not separated into individual channels (all combined into one audio track) and/or a couple of instruments playing a mix of notes or including vocals, it would not have worked well.
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/05 16:30:11
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AndreyB
Well, it definitely looks like a bug of some kind
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Thanks Andrey, Most likely not a bug but more likely inexperience. While playing with it I was trying various things trying to get the apeggario to bounce a midi, like record arming an empty track and trying to record the output to that track or I may have had the track unarmed and not selected. I'll give it another try and post results or upload a video to my YouTube channel showing the steps I'm taking while trying to produce the bounce (if I can't get it to work) or submit a bug report later.
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/05 16:44:04
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Now I have to ask another (probably stupid) question. What is CbB?
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/05 16:44:28
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DOH! Nvm, I think I got it now. CbB = Cakewalk by BandLab
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Re: Looking for a Guru to answer this one. (track to track recording question)
2018/05/05 22:13:20
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☄ Helpfulby Dream Logic Audio 2018/05/07 00:07:28
You can split the Instrument Track in two, creating a separate Midi track and Bounce to Clips just the midi clip to get the arpeggiator result. Bouncing the Instrument track will give you an audio clip, like you found out. Instrument tracks seem convenient for doing things fast, but I almost always end up splitting them, having audio and midi in separate tracks is much more flexible for me.
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