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2018/06/05 20:14:02 (permalink)

REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10

I'm curious what the actual performance differences on Platinum (Cakewalk's Last vers.) are between Win7 to Win10?

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/06 00:54:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby iRelevant 2018/06/07 01:50:11
The giant elephant in the room with regard to older operating systems is that when MS says a new version of VC++ will not install on a particular version of Windows as they did with XP in the SONAR X2a days (if I remember correctly) then it will be over for that OS and Cakewalk because one thing developers do is grab the latest libraries as soon and they are available such as in the days of touch coming to SONAR. MS said the VC++ redistributeables that supported touch just won't load on XP. - I was there when it happened on a development machine. To be clear XP will run SONAR up to X2. X2a and beyond you need 7 or better. Not becsause of the Cakewalk code so much as MS refusal in the Redistributable installer to install on XP. It's mean, but that's MS and they like to control their ecosystem.
 
If they did it once they will do it again. And MS would just love to kill windows 7.
There will come a day if it already hasn't happened, that you'll need a particular update level on 10 to load the latest what have you.
 
This fact alone chased me to 10 even with all the update hassles.
 
When Cakewalk closed and I knew I wasn't forced at that point to be running 10, I almost went back to good old 7. But now that Cakewalk has been resurrected, I'll think I'll stay on 10. :-)
 
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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/06 14:26:25 (permalink)
In ref to differences for audio.  On a Roland Octa-Capture (USB2 Connection) the latency was lowered by 1 ms.  That may not be a lot to some but I thought it was enough to be noted. 
 

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/06 17:10:17 (permalink)
I noticed something similar to Fireberd's experience when I moved from Win 7 to Win 10 a few years ago on my core2 quad. Now I'm on 1803 and it's working well (on my current machine) but MS has added all sorts of bloat to Win10 that wasn't there when I first did the upgrade. So I think it's tough to make the comparison -
I initially felt great about Windows 10 and it's been fine in my own case - but I always feel that it's one update away from pandemonium.

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/06 19:21:27 (permalink)
Noel did say there were some changes made to Cakelabs coding to make it run better with W10. I believe him. 

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/07 02:04:37 (permalink)
I haven't seen any data to show a difference, but I have a hard time believing that anything runs faster in W10 vs W7. But of course if some optimization for W10 has happened, I guess it's possible. It would need to be mind blowing for me to upgrade. Maybe W10 is better when using a touchscreen.

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/08 20:12:12 (permalink)
Thanks guys.  Now, for my follow-up question.  If I have a Win10 laptop, am I able to run that same license on my desktop?  If so, then how do I install that creature?  Whether I am or not, should I delete that C:\ partition and reformat?  Finally, is there any particular flavor of Win10 to install as there was on previous OS ver.

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/08 22:21:22 (permalink)
If the Laptop is setup to log in with a Microsoft account (e.g. Hotmail) then you have "digital entitlement" and can install Win 10 on the desktop and you log in with the same Microsoft account.   I'm doing that with my desktop and laptop. I have a Hotmail e-mail account and that qualifies for any other Microsoft site or use.  
 
But, you can use a Product Key from the laptop on another PC.  

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/09 01:42:00 (permalink)
Win 10 has a better audio stack (the WASAPI option in Cakewalk) and I think, but am not sure, the MIDI port limit has been either eliminated or increased. I actually like Windows 10.

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/09 22:56:52 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby iRelevant 2018/06/11 02:42:24
I'm on XP and staying there.  LoL
 
If you find an OS version you really like, and have all the DAW tools you need, then just make backups of everything to be sure you can always rebuild a machine if needed.  I just did this recently - 100% brand new parts except for the motherboard.  Had very little issues except for one wrapper component that wouldn't run in multi-processor mode correctly and caused me a lot of headache to track down.  But that aside it was LOT easier than rebuilding a whole new DAW using the latest OS version and having to repurchase a bunch of new software, etc.  And worst of all, having to re-learn it all.  Not to mention spend a ton of time stomping out bugs and glitches, always wondering if you'll ever really be able to get everything working smoothly.   Uh...no thanks, not for me!  I don't know how you guys do it frankly.  If I kept updating operating systems and plugs and host software and drivers and hardware there's no way I'd ever get any real work done, and I'd be spending a fortune in the process.  LoL
 
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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/10 01:44:32 (permalink)
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You guys can poke fun at me all you want, I'm staying on XP with my trusty RME interface.  

 
Well there you have it, an RME interface. It will work with anything 
 
No one's going to poke fun at you, the object is to make music...not be an IT professional! But, I was raised during the days of tape, so I probably have a different perspective. Maintaining my computer system is soooo much easier than maintaining a multitrack tape machine.

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/10 03:06:19 (permalink)
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You guys can poke fun at me all you want, I'm staying on XP with my trusty RME interface.  

 
Well there you have it, an RME interface. It will work with anything 
 
No one's going to poke fun at you, the object is to make music...not be an IT professional! But, I was raised during the days of tape, so I probably have a different perspective. Maintaining my computer system is soooo much easier than maintaining a multitrack tape machine.




Ha, me too, the tape days all during the 80's!  To me this whole DAW concept and being able to do just about everything inside a computer from home is still mind boggling to me.  Yeah, when I think back how many times I'd have to calibrate machines, clean channel boards, repair outboard gear, hunt down patch/cabling issues and much more....well....a DAW is a walk in the park in comparison.  And that doesn't even begin to get into all the operational advantages.  Still though I get terribly frustrated at times not understanding how to "map over" my old methods onto DAW operation.  And struggle with computers in general at times.  Thank God for this forum, people on here have been invaluable.
 
Sorry to the OP for the slight detour.
 
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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/10 11:48:40 (permalink)
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I'm on XP and staying there.  LoL
 
If you find an OS version you really like, and have all the DAW tools you need, then just make backups of everything to be sure you can always rebuild a machine if needed.  I just did this recently - 100% brand new parts except for the motherboard.  Had very little issues except for one wrapper component that wouldn't run in multi-processor mode correctly and caused me a lot of headache to track down.  But that aside it was LOT easier than rebuilding a whole new DAW using the latest OS version and having to repurchase a bunch of new software, etc.  And worst of all, having to re-learn it all.  Not to mention spend a ton of time stomping out bugs and glitches, always wondering if you'll ever really be able to get everything working smoothly.   Uh...no thanks, not for me!  I don't know how you guys do it frankly.  If I kept updating operating systems and plugs and host software and drivers and hardware there's no way I'd ever get any real work done, and I'd be spending a fortune in the process.  LoL
 
You guys can poke fun at me all you want, I'm staying on XP with my trusty RME interface.  
 
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I sympathise with you here, as the move from X1 to X3, and then to SPLAT was VERY expensive for me.
 
I had an Win 98 system running 2 x Yamaha DS2416 cards with Pro Audio 7. I'd used on a Cirrus 166Mhz with 128Mb RAM (which could easily cope with recording 16 simultaneous tracks).
 
By Sonar 3 I'd gone through Windows 2000, to XP with an Athlon 750 with 1.5GB RAM (which coped with 32 simultaneous tracks) and finally a dual core Athlon 4000 with 4GB RAM.
 
I hardly ever used plugins during this time, as the two DS2416's more or less had everything I needed: 48 channels with dynamics + 4 band fully parametric EQ on every channel, and four effects processors.... and all my synths were hardware.
 
For X3 I moved to Windows 7 which meant getting a newer motherboard that would still support my DS2416 cards. I opted for the Asus P8B75V with an Intel i5 3750, as this has 3 PCI slots that fully support the voltages needed for the DS2416.
 
The move to 64bit meant replacing my DS2416 cards with my Focusrite 18i20. At this point my machine was fast enough handle all the mixing & effects in-the-box, and I've just recently retired all my hardware synths.
 
Many a time I've looked back at how much easier it was when all I had was my Yamaha MT8X 8 track tape recorder, Music-X on the Amiga for MIDI, and a PPS-100 for MIDI tape sync.
 
I'm still on the fence with Windows 10 vs Windows 7.
 
 
Windows 7 has been rock solid (with the exception of the flakey windows update system), just like XP was. To be honest, I know Vista got a beating but I used it for 10 years on a development laptop with no issues. I never tried it with my DAW system though.
 
I really like using Windows 10. Updates are far more reliable, but it's a real PITA when major updates come along - i.e. settings reverting back, having to re-authorise software. It does FEEL snappier to me though compared to Windows 7, so I tend to stick to Windows 10 with Windows 7 as a fallback.
 
 

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/10 13:16:32 (permalink)
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I sympathise with you here, as the move from X1 to X3, and then to SPLAT was VERY expensive for me.

The same here, even when I entered the DAW field later coming from dedicated hardware.
 
msmcleod
Many a time I've looked back at how much easier it was when all I had was my Yamaha MT8X 8 track tape recorder, Music-X on the Amiga for MIDI, and a PPS-100 for MIDI tape sync.

Have the same nostalgia feelings, even if my hardware was a bit different (Tascam 38 8 track tape recorder, Tascam M-208 mixer, DX7II, Yamaha QX3 sequencer, ...). In those years I was really productive in making music (no annoying computer updates).
 
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I really like using Windows 10. Updates are far more reliable, but it's a real PITA when major updates come along - i.e. settings reverting back, having to re-authorise software.

I have Windows 10 on both of my computers. But after the current Windows update I regret that I had not setup my tower with Windows 7, because I always have a lot of trouble after each update of Windows 10. Not that things cannot be fixed, but I always lose 1 or 2 days to reset everything (reiterate system settings, removing bloatware, ...).
 
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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 00:05:02 (permalink)
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Have the same nostalgia feelings, even if my hardware was a bit different (Tascam 38 8 track tape recorder, Tascam M-208 mixer, DX7II, Yamaha QX3 sequencer, ...). In those years I was really productive in making music (no annoying computer updates).

 
Going back with memories to the hardware days is giving me faster heartbeat... yep that's nostalgia :)
 
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I have Windows 10 on both of my computers. But after the current Windows update I regret that I had not setup my tower with Windows 7, because I always have a lot of trouble after each update of Windows 10. Not that things cannot be fixed, but I always lose 1 or 2 days to reset everything (reiterate system settings, removing bloatware, ...).

 
I'm still on W7 but do have plans to buy a new laptop soon with W10 installed. What would be the necessary steps to remove bloatware and update settings? Thanks.
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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 02:37:01 (permalink)
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[...] Finally, is there any particular flavor of Win10 to install as there was on previous OS ver.

I think there are different flavors as before, as I understood it many prefer the PRO version as it gives better control over OS updates. With the HOME edition I think you don't have any choice in that matter, updates just sort of happens. 

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 10:09:19 (permalink)
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I'm on XP and staying there.  LoL
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You guys can poke fun at me all you want, I'm staying on XP with my trusty RME interface.  
 
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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 10:09:57 (permalink)
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I'm on XP and staying there.  LoL
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You guys can poke fun at me all you want, I'm staying on XP with my trusty RME interface.  
 
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I see you are a wise man. May I ask about the specifics for which MB you chose ? and why ?

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 10:29:26 (permalink)
"I'm still on W7 but do have plans to buy a new laptop soon with W10 installed. What would be the necessary steps to remove bloatware and update settings? Thanks."
 
I bought a new laptop last year, a Dell Inspiron 15 5577 (7th generation i5) that is sold as a "gaming" laptop with an M.2 SSD (fast).  I wanted it for on-site recordings.  I tried tweaking it for audio recording including removing Dell added software and even some other software and settings but could never get it clean and had Latency Mon issues and some dropouts.  I restored the original Dell factory image and installed a second SSD.  I only installed Win 10 and minimum drivers on the new SSD, and Sonar, nothing else and it works great for recording.  I still have the original Dell install if I want to use it for general PC work.  Its set up as dual boot for whatever use I want. 

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 11:27:01 (permalink)
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I'm on XP and staying there.  LoL
 

I sympathize as I stayed on an XP Clevo laptop for years running Sonar 8 until the motherboard became too 'glitchy'. I loved that old machine so much I bought a new motherboard second-hand and had it shipped from the US to Europe. One reason I kept it was the near zero latency using Firewire - I did a lot of reading up on the subject back in the day, and the old Firewire boards were far superior for audio processing than the later ones (something to do with Texas Instruments on-board circuits). When I was forced to switch laptops, I went with an older HP with Firewire so I could keep my Edirol audio card in use - HP running Sonar 8 in Win 7 was smooth, on the upgrade to W10 I had a lot of issues with the Firewire. I would sporadically have to reinstall the drivers (often hanging or failing), even had to hack the drivers to recognise W10 as support for Edirol products ended at W8. Making music became a ball-ache.....until I updated to SPLAT and they updated the WASAPI drivers- suddenly even my old USB-1 keyboard had zero latency (in XP it was less than useless) and the Firewire issue seemed to be resolved. I now play piano through the new Sonar BandLab with Zero latency and zero glitches - when I need to do vocals or guitars I plug in the old Edirol and get zero latency too - can't complain really.Windows 10 works for me.
Also, I now have access to all the great new sound libraries and VST3 products that XP cannot access. As much as it is good to have a solid go-to setup, it's also nice to bring in some new sounds every once in a while. With XP, I was limited to what I had - it could never expand.
 
On a side note - when Sonar's future was in doubt, I reinstalled Sonar 8 onto my machine (just in case the servers went down) and it was not a nice experience. After the fluidity of SPLAT, Sonar 8 felt slow and labored and clunky. I also noticed latency was enormous with the WASAPI drivers, making mixing on anything but the external sound card impossible. What I love about my W10/Sonar setup now is that I can setup recordings in an instant - very important for me, as I have very little time - and play about with mixes using the on-board sound card instead of always having to set up an external soundcard. All this makes me more portable and productive.
 

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 13:49:04 (permalink)
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I bought a new laptop last year, a Dell Inspiron 15 5577 (7th generation i5) that is sold as a "gaming" laptop with an M.2 SSD (fast).  I wanted it for on-site recordings.  I tried tweaking it for audio recording including removing Dell added software and even some other software and settings but could never get it clean and had Latency Mon issues and some dropouts.  I restored the original Dell factory image and installed a second SSD.  I only installed Win 10 and minimum drivers on the new SSD, and Sonar, nothing else and it works great for recording.  I still have the original Dell install if I want to use it for general PC work.  Its set up as dual boot for whatever use I want. 




Did you ever check that out with Autoruns? (that is a nice "msconfig" utility that will show you all the things Win10 can hide from you). One thing I have noticed with Win10, is that they make it easier to hide entries within the machine, so stupid things like NVIDIA's telemetry data becomes an issue, etc. "Simple" maintenance doesn't go as far as it used to, and "settings" getting reset after major updates is not cool.
 
As far as the OP, I do not see many earth-shattering improvements that would get a Win7 user excited. If you step from Win7 Ultimate (or better) to Win10 Pro (or below) you actually lose safety features (they require Win10 Enterprise, or Win10 Educational, to retain).

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 14:14:34 (permalink)
I did everything I could trying to tame it, including running WinPatrol that allows disabling startups, services, tasks etc.  Removing with Revo Uninstaller Pro that also scans the registry and allows deleting registry entries.  I also had some help from Dell specialists and Dell user experts (my status on the Dell user forums is "Rockstar" as I've done support since 2002).  I was down to one dropout about every 4 minutes when recording and could never track that down.  The PC came with an M.2 SSD and space for either a laptop hard drive or a full size SSD.  I had a spare SSD so I installed that and loaded Win 10 and only needed drivers nothing else.  Latency mon was "happy" and I did an on site 10 song recording session without any problems.

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 15:53:51 (permalink)
Craig,  I am finally considering moving to Win 10 after speaking with Noel and some others.  Just wondering if there were any audio-specific tweaks that you used to make your daws work better?  Any thoughts or direction would be greatly appreciated.  Kind of like to know what I am facing before I jump off the ledge.  Thank you.

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 16:06:39 (permalink)
Studioguy you should not need to do anything with Windows 10. It has the best audio of any Windows OS. It will prove to be an easy upgrade if your hardware is up to it. 

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/11 16:47:52 (permalink)
The only things I've done is set the Power Plan to High Performance and disabled "Fast Startup".
 

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/12 22:33:30 (permalink)
That's a start.  Thank you.

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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/23 20:35:14 (permalink)
WOW! JUST WOW! Who knew that this one little post would spawn all this sexy dirty tech talk of another age.  Reminds me of the rare moments when I'd hear my Dad's generation (The Greatest) talk about getting to 3rd base with a girl.  I say that VERY respectful to you guys, AND the greatest generation. And I even got the legend Anderton to appear 1-2 times on my thread.
 
Well, I have Audition CS6, and when I tried to update it on Win7 for days, I then tried it on my Win10 laptop and it fit like a glove.  I don't know if I said it earlier, but the IT local dealer I bought my ASUS laptop from told me he was very hesitant to migrate to Win10, but he said there was very significant latency improvement with Platinum when he did make the jump.  Problem is I'm in school right now at Full Sail and I really don't have a full weekend to load that and the rest of my s'ware, AND troubleshoot anything.  So, for now I'll just have to limp along.  Maybe then I'll try the new Platinum.
 
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Re: REAL Improvements Between Win7 and Win10 2018/06/23 20:56:52 (permalink)
Considering that Windows 7 has only 1.5 years left of support, if everything is working well, why change? Why upgrade to Windows 10, with all its issues,  before you have to? Get another year and a half out of it. Then decide if you need to change. Many plan to keep it. I'll never upgrade to W10. I will keep my music computer offline and continue to use W7 as long as I can. If it stops working for my music, then I'll figure out what to do. Leave well enough alone.
 
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post edited by michael diemer - 2018/06/24 18:20:34

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