What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter?

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2018/07/13 20:25:18 (permalink)

What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter?

I don't use it often, but sometimes if I just need to change the pitch of a (rap) vocal it was a great tool for broad strokes, allowed automation, etc.
 
Now I can't find it in CbB even among the other Cw and Sonitus plugs.  

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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/13 22:15:30 (permalink)
    As far as I can recall Cakewalk Pitch Shifter was a 32 bit DirectX plugin (which won't work in 64 bit Sonar / CbB).
     
    The equivalent is Cakewalk Time/Pitch Stretch 2, but as far as I can tell it can't be automated.
     
    For vocal pitch shifting, take a look at MAutoPitch by Melda Productions, which is free and can be automated.

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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/13 22:19:49 (permalink)
    Ah ok, thanks for the info.  I have the Melda plug, I don't like the way it sounds.  I have melodyne also, but its destructive and takes many clicks to do what I want, although the sound is great.
     
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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/13 22:59:30 (permalink)
    There was a 64bit version of the Cakewalk Pitch Shifter plug-in bundled with SONAR through X2. Run an advanced install of any 64bit SONAR X2 or older to get the plug-in.
     
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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/14 04:16:58 (permalink)
    Was there an issue with that plug-in that caused it to be discontinued? I've been using a 3rd party plug-in and was frustrated when trying to figure out how to pitch shift a track in CbB. In other DAW's I've used, pitch shifting a track is a pretty straightforward built-in feature and I was surprised not to find it.

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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/14 05:03:53 (permalink)
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    There was a 64bit version of the Cakewalk Pitch Shifter plug-in bundled with SONAR through X2. Run an advanced install of any 64bit SONAR X2 or older to get the plug-in.
     




    X2 is the only version I missed since the DOS days. Apparently that plugin is only in that version. I don't guess I can get it.
     
    If I want to pitch shift a whole mix, I use the 32 bit Splat. If I want to shift just a few instruments in a mix, sometimes I'll use the groove clips method, which works pretty good for single instruments, not a whole mix

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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/14 05:35:16 (permalink)
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    X2 is the only version I missed since the DOS days. Apparently that plugin is only in that version. I don't guess I can get it.


    Given the age of the plug-in it must have been ported before X2. I do have the X1 User Guide handy and it shows the plug-in without a 32bit only notation. This leads me to believe it was 64bit in X1. My guess is the plug-in was one of the earliest plug-ins to be ported to 64bit well before the X-Series.
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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/14 09:39:35 (permalink)
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    There was a 64bit version of the Cakewalk Pitch Shifter plug-in bundled with SONAR through X2. Run an advanced install of any 64bit SONAR X2 or older to get the plug-in.
     


     
    scook
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    X2 is the only version I missed since the DOS days. Apparently that plugin is only in that version. I don't guess I can get it.


    Given the age of the plug-in it must have been ported before X2. I do have the X1 User Guide handy and it shows the plug-in without a 32bit only notation. This leads me to believe it was 64bit in X1. My guess is the plug-in was one of the earliest plug-ins to be ported to 64bit well before the X-Series.



    I stand corrected... there is a 64 bit version, and it's in X1 too. I can't see any way of automating it though.
     

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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/14 20:11:31 (permalink)
    Pitch.ax (Pitch Shifter [DX]) is in the 32 & 64 bit Cakewalk/Shared Plugins folder. Mine is dated 2010(32) & 2012(64).
     
    Stretch.ax (Time/Pitch Stretch 2 [VST2]) is in every 32 & 64 bit X series main folder. Oddly, it's help file is in the CbB main folder but not the .ax.
     
    There's no way to automate them directly but you could also use Dimension or Rapture as a plugin and automate it's bend or pitch parameters as described here.
    post edited by soens - 2018/07/15 17:28:17
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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/14 23:23:48 (permalink)
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    Stretch.ax (Time/Pitch Stretch 2 [VST2]) is in every 32 & 64 bit X series main folder. Oddly, it's help file is in the CbB main folder but not the .ax.

    I believe CbB is picking up Stretch.ax from a SONAR installation and BandLab ships the hlp file just in case CbB finds the plug-in.
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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/15 04:36:21 (permalink)
    Pick up Waves' SoundShifter when it's on sale for $29. You'll have to check often, but it will go back on sale at some point.  Or, pick up Pitch Shifter Snapin for $19 at PluginBotique.com everyday.

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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/15 04:44:20 (permalink)
    In plugin manager I found Cakewalk Time/Pitch Stretch 2. I see it resides in a few different folders one being  C:\Program Files (x86)\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum\Stretch.ax and also in  C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum\Stretch.ax 
     
    By that you'd think I'd have a 32 bit and 64 bit plugin available. But no matter how many times I try to add it to one of my lists on the right inside plugin manager, it just ends up like a phantom plugin. Not showing up when I try to add it to an FX bin. This happens when using 32 bit Splat or CbB - phantom plugin.
     
    I also added these paths in the VST scan:  C:\Program Files (x86)\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum\ and C:\Program Files\Cakewalk\SONAR Platinum
     
    It turns out that in the past I've used a Sony pitch/ time shifter that came with Sound Forge and is 32 bit. I sure would like to use the Cakewalk one, especially the 64 bit one.
     
    Any clues on why this is acting so weird?

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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/15 12:37:59 (permalink)
    If you’re looking to shift an entire performance Reaper’s pitch shifter works amazingly well.
    Moved a harmonica track down 7 half steps (D down to G) with no issues; granted that wasn’t a vocal, but...
    Maybe whatever Reaper uses is availabile as a plug, someone here surely knows.
    For me it was the one “good” thing to come out of the “troubles” we recently experienced.
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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/15 17:25:33 (permalink)
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    In plugin manager I found Cakewalk Time/Pitch Stretch 2.

    By that you'd think I'd have a 32 bit and 64 bit plugin available. But no matter how many times I try to add it to one of my lists on the right inside plugin manager, it just ends up like a phantom plugin. Not showing up when I try to add it to an FX bin. This happens when using 32 bit Splat or CbB - phantom plugin.

    Any clues on why this is acting so weird?

     
    Yes. Time/Pitch Stretch can only be applied as a process, not a plugin.
     
    To use it, right-click the clip, choose either "Insert Effect" or "Process Effect" and select Audio Effects >Cakewalk Time/Pitch Stretch 2.
     
    Insert Effect inserts an effect onto the clip allowing it to be turned on and off or even removed (nondestructive).
     
    Process Effect applies the effect to the clip directly (destructive) but can be undone with ctrl+z.
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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/16 04:48:29 (permalink)
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    In plugin manager I found Cakewalk Time/Pitch Stretch 2.

    By that you'd think I'd have a 32 bit and 64 bit plugin available. But no matter how many times I try to add it to one of my lists on the right inside plugin manager, it just ends up like a phantom plugin. Not showing up when I try to add it to an FX bin. This happens when using 32 bit Splat or CbB - phantom plugin.

    Any clues on why this is acting so weird?

     
    Yes. Time/Pitch Stretch can only be applied as a process, not a plugin.
     
    To use it, right-click the clip, choose either "Insert Effect" or "Process Effect" and select Audio Effects >Cakewalk Time/Pitch Stretch 2.
     
    Insert Effect inserts an effect onto the clip allowing it to be turned on and off or even removed (nondestructive).
     
    Process Effect applies the effect to the clip directly (destructive) but can be undone with ctrl+z.



    Thanks, I finally got it to work. I wonder if there are any presets? The Sound Forge plugin for time stretch and pitch shifting has some great presets. Some are for solo instruments, or vocals, or whole mixes with quite a few presets with different variations. If the Cakewalk plugin has no presets, I'll likely stick with the 32 bit Sound Forge plugin.
     
    Still thanks so much for clearing up this mystery

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    Re: What happened to Cakewalk Pitch Shifter? 2018/07/16 10:33:36 (permalink)
    No factory presets but you can save your own.
     
    Cakewalk Pitch Shifter has a few basic presets but you can also save your own.
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