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2018/08/07 04:07:47 (permalink)

Best Drum synth/program

Hi,
 
In the past I've used live drums or drum loops. I'd like to get into using a program where I can load a sample and , via my keyboard controller, compose some grooves to use in songs.
 
I noticed I have Session Drummer 3 and SI Drum kit. Do we like these programs? Which one and why? Is there a killer 3rd party program preferred?
 
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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 07:08:44 (permalink)
Battery, Maschine, Geist - are the best solutions for drum sampling. What else you can find better than that?
 
Session Drummer 3 could be a great solution, but it lacks many features of samplers I've mentioned. I mostly don't like sample dragging to SD3. Why should I do SFZ files instead simple drag'n'drop features? We're in 2018. Maybe later it will be updated.
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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 13:06:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby abacab 2018/08/07 13:11:56
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 Why should I do SFZ files instead simple drag'n'drop features?



Because SFZ files are multi velocity, normal samples are not.
 
You can drag and drop any .WAV, FLAC, SFV into Session drummer 3.
While it may be a little dated (the gui doesn't harness EQ, Compression, Mic placement, exc) its still a very qualified sampler/Drum VST-I.

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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 13:42:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2018/08/07 13:55:14
kawika
Hi,
 
Is there a killer 3rd party program preferred?
 
thanks,
 
Kawika


Depending on your needs, which you have not really described style wise, BFD3 and Toontrack's Superior Drummer 3 are very advanced drum players. Check out Superior Drummer's Song Arranger feature. These both are more of the "buy a drum pack" variety because their audio files are in proprietary format. We're only a few months away from big sales (typically 50% off) so you might want to wait.
 
Toontrack's EZDrummer is the "little" brother to SD3. It has all the features but is more of a "polished" drum sets way of doing things whereas SD3 is more along the lines of raw drum sounds that you sculpt.
 
BFD3 is excellent too.
 
After that there is Steven Slate's Drums V4 for full on ROCK DRUMS!!!!. But, V5 should be coming soon and so a purchase of V4 *may* mean a free upgrade to V5 if you time it right (and of course no one knows when that will be).
 
XLN's Addictive Drums is also in the same ilk as all the above.
 
For some really "out there" drumming look into Jamstix 4. It's crazy good in that it models drummers style of playing and you can tweak those styles to create your own flavor on that style. It's drum samples are a bit dated but in the end you can export it's MID and play it against anything.   
 
Personally, I do not use any drum players (I own all the above and more) that allow for loading samples and if they do I'm not into that feature so I cannot be of help there if that is your overriding need.
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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 16:17:55 (permalink)
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eve_ripper
 Why should I do SFZ files instead simple drag'n'drop features?



Because SFZ files are multi velocity, normal samples are not.
 
You can drag and drop any .WAV, FLAC, SFV into Session drummer 3.
While it may be a little dated (the gui doesn't harness EQ, Compression, Mic placement, exc) its still a very qualified sampler/Drum VST-I.


In case to sample acoustic drumkit it works. But if you're using sample drum machine - it's another story.
 
Maybe I'm missing something... But I've recorded drum machine. Now I want to make sampled version. I drag closed hat to 42 note and then I want 46 for open hat. And here comes a problem with drag'n'drop.
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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 16:27:06 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chuckebaby 2018/08/07 16:35:36
sfz provides more than multi-velocity capability to Session Drummer. It also allows pads to play more than one instrument. Each pad in Session Drummer is hard coded to trigger on multiple notes. Sfz files provide the mapping function to assign samples to each note. As a bundled drum synth is was pretty good.
 
Still the Velocity synth bundled with P5 was arguably easier to setup because all the mapping was done in the UI. To bad it was never updated.
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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 16:39:09 (permalink)
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 Why should I do SFZ files instead simple drag'n'drop features?



Because SFZ files are multi velocity, normal samples are not.
 
You can drag and drop any .WAV, FLAC, SFV into Session drummer 3.
While it may be a little dated (the gui doesn't harness EQ, Compression, Mic placement, exc) its still a very qualified sampler/Drum VST-I.


I drag closed hat to 42 note and then I want 46 for open hat. And here comes a problem with drag'n'drop.



You would have that same exact problem in any sampler unless you set the sampler to choke note 46 when note 42 is triggered.
 
Session drummer 3 will do what the OP wants though. All that is needed is to drag the kit pieces in and drop them on the session drummer GUI kit pieces.

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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 16:44:30 (permalink)
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Maybe I'm missing something... But I've recorded drum machine. Now I want to make sampled version. I drag closed hat to 42 note and then I want 46 for open hat. And here comes a problem with drag'n'drop.

Session Drummer limits drag and drop to one sample per pad. Multi-layer, multi-note, group (which provides cymbal choke in programs supplied with the synth) functions are defined by sfz files. When I wanted to setup extensive custom sets, modifying an existing sfz file was pretty easy but there are certainly more sophisticated drum synths available for purchase.
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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 17:53:33 (permalink)
AIR Strike 2 is another one to look at, especially as www.pluginboutique.com are doing deals on the AIR Complete package at the moment (buy one of the instruments, e.g. vacuum pro for £1 / 1$, then upgrade to complete for £59.95).
 
The pattern editor is one of the best I've used, especially as you can add "complexity" options to your patterns, which kick-in when the complexity control is increased.
 
It also supports wav samples.

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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 21:22:48 (permalink)
Another vote for BFD3
 
It has enough options to satisfy anyone as well as ready made grooves which you can freely edit

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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 22:40:01 (permalink)
I like BFD3 as well. But I don't own all of them like bapu.
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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/07 23:15:36 (permalink)
BFD3 for me as well, I own all drum vsti's mentioned here, and while Superior Drummer3 has some nice bells and whistles, I still much prefer BFD3, the end product just sounds better to me, and I find myself rarely even firing up SD3. JAMSTIX 4 could be very useful, although I don't think much of the kits/sounds, have owned it for a number of years (v3 then v4) but have never got the urge to dig in and wrap my head around it, usually just fire it up every now and then, stare at it for a bit then close it down, not quite prepared for the learning curve myself, but I imagine it could be very good at what it does. I would steer clear of AIR Strike2, it doesn't sound very good to me, and yeah, I don't even bother with it, but ymmv.

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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/08 14:43:37 (permalink)
Vote EZ Drummer 2 and Superior Drummer 3 here. I've also got AD2 and BFD Eco but EZD2 and SD3 are my go to most of the times. 
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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/08 17:32:56 (permalink)
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 I would steer clear of AIR Strike2, it doesn't sound very good to me, and yeah, I don't even bother with it, but ymmv.



Out the box it sounds lame, until you set Content Size to unlimited (which forces it to load the high quality versions of the samples) and switch oversampling on.

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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/08 17:55:31 (permalink)
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 I would steer clear of AIR Strike2, it doesn't sound very good to me, and yeah, I don't even bother with it, but ymmv.



Out the box it sounds lame, until you set Content Size to unlimited (which forces it to load the high quality versions of the samples) and switch oversampling on.




Air Strike 2 is interesting as a drum player, especially if you crank up the settings, with a lot of control over the dynamics, groove, and mix.  But it doesn't seem to be designed as a sampler to load your own samples into. 
 
It's still good fun though to load up a kit and style, and have all the patterns (intro, verse, bridge, chorus, fills, etc.) in the style to be available across your keyboard as key switches.  Instant drummer! 
 
But I think that the OP was looking for a drum sampler...

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Re: Best Drum synth/program 2018/08/16 07:26:21 (permalink)
Having demo'd various (incl Air Strike which was uninstalled), I don't see any problem with using AD2.  Buy some expansion packs.  AD2's MIDI packs kind of suck, but Groove Monkee has captured some good ideas, but in the end wind up having to write the entire drum track hit by hit in any case.

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