Moxica
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Deleted parts of tracks still audible
Recently I cut to/three sections and deleted them from the track. On playback Sonar still played these pops and sighs that I initially wanted to get rid of.
So I "bounced to track", but they were still there until I restarted Sonar.
Not a big problem though, just one more thing to be aware of.
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 10:49:27
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Have you tried expanding the take lanes?
Maybe the pops/sighs are actually in a clip belonging to a different take?
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 11:38:28
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I never use take lanes. :)
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 11:42:45
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That's kind of why I mentioned it... I rarely use them myself, but every so often I accidentally set the wrong record option and find my new recording has been put in a new take lane.
Because the main track shows the comped version of both takes, it's not obvious that this has happened... until you start deleting parts.
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 11:52:34
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 12:14:28
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Maybe. I never understood the english concept of "trim" with confidence. In Norwegian that word do mean something like "cut excess stuff" (Like hair or grass) :)
But then again, I had a "trim" pot on my old Tascam 244 that allways confused me.
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 12:18:03
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when we 'shorten' a clip the data's still there,so apply triming will cut the excess data
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 12:25:40
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Sounds about right to me.
Thx!
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 12:31:05
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 12:31:34
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Moxica
Maybe. I never understood the english concept of "trim" with confidence. In Norwegian that word do mean something like "cut excess stuff" (Like hair or grass) :)
That's certainly the most common use of the word. Moxica
But then again, I had a "trim" pot on my old Tascam 244 that allways confused me.
In this case, it relates to trimming the signal. A lot of mixers have a gain control, which can either boost or lower the input signal. A trim control is similar, except it can only lower the signal. I guess the word "trim" is used as it's perceived as a less extreme version of "cut".
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 13:00:41
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Thinking about it, the issue could be related to the bug I reported here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/Issue-when-using-Normalize-in-multiselect-m3763740.aspx By default, Sonar/CbB stores multiple clips in the same file, but sometimes Sonar/CbB gets confused as to what clip is what. This is almost 100% reproducible when using Process Effect, but maybe it affects deletes in some cases too. The workaround is to bounce a clip to itself before doing any edit and/or processing operations. Additionally, I usually check the "Create one file per click" box within the Save dialog to stop Cakewalk from storing clips this way in the first place. [Edit] - Note that "Bounce to clips" is different from "Bounce To Track" which you mentioned earlier.
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/08/31 15:17:10
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Actually I bounced to clips, I just remembered wrong again.
Thank you for interresting inputs, msmcleod!
Much appreciated. :)
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/09/02 08:24:15
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Like he said, check the take lanes. Even if you "don't use them," stuff sometimes ends up in hidden takes and messes things up unless you are aware of it.
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/09/02 12:30:58
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Like I said. There were no take lanes. :)
If I come across this again, I will find the "Apply trim"
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/09/02 18:40:30
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☄ Helpfulby Moxica 2018/09/03 06:02:35
Moxica
Like I said. There were no take lanes. :)
If I come across this again, I will find the "Apply trim"
rithclick-over-the clip & do apply-triming
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/09/03 14:50:25
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I'm sure there is a simple way to accomplish that, however, in the interest of time and assuming you are not using take lanes, I export that one track to a program like Sound Forge. Without changing the length or altering the track in any way except zeroing the volume of the part or parts I need zeroed. Then port it back into Cakewalk and the issue is solved. May not be the right way, but has worked for me for a long time. I have also exported specific tracks that have a challenging noise problem and treated them likewise and it has gotten me through the mud quickly. Just a thought.
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/09/06 08:49:55
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Thanks! :)
I have not experienced this anymore, but now I apply trim regularly.
I solved my issue by bouncing to clip(s) and restart Cakewalk.
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/10/05 03:47:18
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I had the same thing happen but nothing fixed it so I had to make a new track and deleted the old one. I call it "Ghosting".
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Re: Deleted parts of tracks still audible
2018/10/05 11:43:19
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If you have a project with this send it to us so we can analyze the issue
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