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2018/10/11 14:42:44 (permalink)

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Any of you here ever busk? Please share your experiences. 
 
I thought about taking my violin to the park. At the very least it might help to control the blackbird population.

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Re: Busking 2018/10/11 15:22:25 (permalink)
another new term to lean? 

I Am still not  shure what boofing is 
 

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Re: Busking 2018/10/11 15:34:20 (permalink)
Busking is simply playing outside in public places with your instrument. 
 
I'm not sure what boofing is but it doesn't sound like as much fun.

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Re: Busking 2018/10/11 16:07:09 (permalink)
I busked in the early 80s all over the U.S.  Not sure how the scene has changed since then, but I had a good time most of the time.  Just watch out for kids (or maybe adults now!) who try to steal the coin from your case or hat or whatever you use.
 
One example is when I was on the Boston Common one day, two kids stood close to me and pretended to get into a little scuffle with each other.  Sure enough, one pushed the other, and that one 'accidentally' fell in a way that he used his hand to catch his fall... in my guitar case.  My foot immediately met his hand, and I told him to let go of the money or I'll put my full weight on.  He let go, they ran off, I kept my coin.
 
But 90% of the time it's a cool gig when you find the right spot to play.  It might take some trial & error, but once you find that spot, marry it.  Oh, and be sure you have a permit to busk, if your local authorities require it.

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Re: Busking 2018/10/11 16:52:59 (permalink)
I've avoided basking as much as I can....I'm already a darker shade of mocha.
 
 

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Re: Busking 2018/10/11 17:35:38 (permalink)
Thanks for sharing Joel, I'll bet you could share a bunch more stories like that. I think it takes a lot of cahoonas to do that. If a person isn't very good I would guess they are eventually told about it.
 
I wasn't even thinking of putting a hat out. Maybe just playing somewhere. Probably should be careful on the location too. Getting too cold to do it now up here, maybe in the spring.

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Re: Busking 2018/10/11 17:44:48 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Mesh 2018/10/11 17:46:44
I did that a lot in the 70's and 80's and 90's
I didn't charge or have a hat for money though
Mostly with my classical guitar but sometimes with a Martin D-18 (I think it was)
I was in my uniform most of the time 
Mostly around noon for lunchbox type crowds in a gazebo or town square type of thing 

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Re: Busking 2018/10/11 17:46:23 (permalink)
Cool! Did you have set material or were you "noodling?"

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Re: Busking 2018/10/11 18:33:22 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2018/10/12 13:50:28
I played half combo and trio repertoire (Satin Doll, Girl From Ipanema, etc) Joe Pass style and half classical guitar standards like Caprichio Arabe and Spanish Serenade. Some Chet Atkins too

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Re: Busking 2018/10/11 21:48:53 (permalink)
I quite literally sang for my supper on the streets for a few years when I first landed in the city and knew all the other local street musicians. I consider those experiences to have been crucial in the defining and refining of what I do now.
 
I'll post some of what I learned after gatherin' up some of me thoughts. I should probably avoid too much diatribin' and reminiscing tonight though.
 
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Re: Busking 2018/10/12 19:33:21 (permalink)
Please do post something Beepster. When you can.

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Re: Busking 2018/10/12 20:07:41 (permalink)
Ya, I'm still thinkin' on it. Today was a write off (well for my original intentions) so I'd like to at least get my "urgent... MUST KNOW for safety" tips posted.
 
Street life is complex so it's good to know how not to ruffles any feathers. Sounds like you don't intend on going out tonight but yeah... I'll post something in a bit. I have a whole diatribe about hunting for the best "acoustically optimal" spots too which is more fun but safety first, aye?
 
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Re: Busking 2018/10/12 20:45:53 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2018/10/12 20:51:26
Alright... I'm just gonna let this dribble out progressively and add to it as I gather my wacky thoughts on this wacky profession from that wacky time in my life.
 
As I said, safety first. Busking is generally pretty safe if you don't setup shop in Cracktown or whatever but you can draw the ire of other buskers/panhandlers.
 
So rule #1: Don't "Cut Other People's Grass"
 
That's the term on the street for when you set up shop too close to another busker or panhandler (thus potentially reducing their take of the limited amount of change jangling in passersby' pockets). Even if you are not collecting change yourself the assumption will be that you are so be aware of who's around and know that some people are very territorial about their busking/panning spots. Some aggressively so.
 
There are multiple ways to handle this type of thing (which I'll discuss in my next post) but the easiest way to avoid that type of confrontation is to simply not set up near any one panhandling or busking. If someone comes up and says "this is my spot"... I mean back in the old days when I needed the change I'd hold my ground (the general rule is if you ain't there it ain't your spot) but you ain't desperate and just want to play so I'd just say "No prob" and move on. Hell if you collected some change you could give it to them to get them started (or might even be all they needed anyway so they'll just go do their thing and you can keep playing).
 
I have a few stories about these types of intereactions that go both ways but definitely something to be aware of and sensitive to. Essentially these are desperate folks looking to feed their bellies (or perhaps a darker need) and are on a routine. If someone was more hurtin' than I was that day I'd just move along (made some friends that way too).
 
Now becaue you aren't collecting change that might sound weird but the change/foot traffic game is tense. With another busker nearby you may be clashing or distracting or whatever and for those thinking of giving to panhandler they may be more inclined give to the busker (because he's "doing something")... then realize "There's no place for me to give this guy money". Then they walk away confused and no one gets nothin'.
 
Might sound weird but there is a very complex psychology that exists at that level.
 
Hopefully that makes sense. I'll be back.
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Re: Busking 2018/10/12 20:56:24 (permalink)
Good stuff, Beepster.  It all comes crashing back to me as I read your post.  Yes, territories and personal space. I remember more than a few times I would attract a large crowd that the busker half a block away would complain about the noise of people singing along, LOL. Not much I could do about that, though.  For the most part, buskers know and understand the boundaries.
 
I was one who was doing it to survive, so the boundaries were extremely important to me.  I used to get pissed off at the ones who had a home to go to that night, with a full belly and comfy bed.  But that's a whole 'nother thing.
 
Your post is spot on, looking for more of your wisdom when you can.  It's been 34 years since I busked.  My memories are all of the good times, even the riot I caused in Harvard Square when break dancers invaded our territory.  That was interesting.

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Re: Busking 2018/10/12 21:21:06 (permalink)
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Good stuff, Beepster.  It all comes crashing back to me as I read your post.  Yes, territories and personal space. I remember more than a few times I would attract a large crowd that the busker half a block away would complain about the noise of people singing along, LOL. Not much I could do about that, though.  For the most part, buskers know and understand the boundaries.
 
I was one who was doing it to survive, so the boundaries were extremely important to me.  I used to get pissed off at the ones who had a home to go to that night, with a full belly and comfy bed.  But that's a whole 'nother thing.
 
Your post is spot on, looking for more of your wisdom when you can.  It's been 34 years since I busked.  My memories are all of the good times, even the riot I caused in Harvard Square when break dancers invaded our territory.  That was interesting.




Ya, you get it. It's a whole other world out there. I'm sure things have changed quite a bit (it's been almost 20 years for me) but I'm guessing many more things are exactly the same.
 
I would also like to add street vendors and even small business storefronts to the list of people to be sensitive to when setting up. Most are cool with it... some are not. That's a far smaller security concern than those others though so I wanted it seperate. Those conversations are usually far more polite.
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Re: Busking 2018/10/15 13:42:43 (permalink)
My take away here so far is, there's even competition where I would never venture to guess it exists. Reminds me in some ways of the food truck business because both are portable. You might think it would be fun to buy a food truck
and park it somewhere that lot of people go and simply cook and sell food for a profit. Think again. The local townships all require expensive permits. Competition is fierce for the better spots. The profit margins are so small that you need to work 16 hours a day to make ends meet. 
 
On second look, busking seems a tough rough to hoe. I guess, unless a person just takes a guitar out on the weekend and has a decent place to set up to do it part time for the fun of it. I can't imagine doing it for a living. Man that would be tough, especially on cold days when no one's around.

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Re: Busking 2018/10/15 20:43:46 (permalink)
Well, I don't want to turn you off the experience but as noted there are certain street dynamics that need to be considered.
 
Please don't shy away from it due to my procrastinating in regards to a followup. Just kind of spaced and distracted these past few days.
 
Really since you aren't doing it for cash that frees you up to explore environments and people (like other buskers). I've been meaning to post a nice diatribe about my experiences when I WASN'T just trying too make some dough. That was far more educational (at least musically) than setting up in a high traffic area.
 
Bear with me. I will return with some more anecdotal nuggets soon enough. I absolutely must get my arse down to the professional vampires tomorrow though and apparently I've turned into a useless crazy person... yet again.
 
I'll get over it.
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Re: Busking 2018/10/15 20:46:42 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2018/10/15 22:07:48
And yes... you seem to get it so unless you have specific questions about the "dangers" I think you'll be fine. These days though I would be far more concerned if you were seeing drug traffic stuff going on. Buskers and panners are generally nice and respectful if respect is given. Dealers? They can get significantly more tense about territory.
 
You see any of that crap... that ain't a good spot.
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Re: Busking 2018/10/16 15:10:32 (permalink)
I plan to maybe set up in a park or two out my way just so I can occasionally play outside. I doubt many will venture around there. I'll try to stay away from the buskoramas. Honestly I don't like large crowds and prefer to be somewhere off to the side, not out in a cow pasture mind you....well maybe. I occasionally play in my back yard or on my porch. So far none of my neighbors have come over to scold me or called the cops.
 
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Re: Busking 2018/10/16 15:44:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Starise 2018/10/17 14:11:10
i don't but my cousin does, here's a little movie someone made about him
 


just a sec

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Re: Busking 2018/10/17 14:13:16 (permalink)
Gotta hand it to the man for doing what he loves to do, being willing to quit the day job. Takes a lot of cahoonaas.
 
Thanks for sharing the video.
 

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Re: Busking 2018/10/18 15:05:57 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2018/10/18 15:27:41
I did it for 1 summer in 1977 in LA at the Redondo Beach pier. Purely for survival. I was living in a Toyota Corolla that I kept parked in the pier parking lot. I was 17 and had just graduated high school. It was a great experience. Times were different then. Several times per week someone would come by with a guitar or harmonica and just start jamming with me or singing harmony for an hour or so. Not a single one of them would accept any of the donations we got.
Those days left me with a great appreciation for those who do it. Every summer I make at least one trip to NYC and I always carve out a Saturday afternoon to roam around Central Park to check out the buskers. If you haven't done it, I highly recommend it. There are folks out there as good as anything you'll hear on the radio.

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Re: Busking 2018/10/18 15:28:57 (permalink)
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I did it for 1 summer in 1977 ... I was 17 ...




The same summer I got my first gig, and I was also 17. Different world then for sure.  Wouldn't mind being in that world again.

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Re: Busking 2018/10/18 23:47:24 (permalink)
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I did it for 1 summer in 1977 ... I was 17 ...




The same summer I got my first gig, and I was also 17. Different world then for sure.  Wouldn't mind being in that world again.


 
I turned 18 in March of that year and spent the summer at Fort Dix wishing I were busking somewhere . . . anywhere.
 
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