Guyunique
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The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
Hey Folks, I am currently using the Presonus firepod. I think it works better with Cubase then it does with Sonar 4.2, just my experience. I'm looking for a new audio interface that is 192KHZ under five hundred dollars. I was looking at the M-Audio Audiophile 192khz but read a lot of bad reviews about it. I'm looking for great drivers and crystal clear sound and must be dead quiet! Any ideas? Thanks guys! Patrick Minnesota.
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stephenlnoe
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/03 23:38:02
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Edirol FA-101 or the soon to be released UA-101. You can not go wrong with Edirol for an external card. Internal card there are alot to choose from. In this case I lean toward EMU's solutions.
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/03 23:45:55
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ORIGINAL: Guyunique I was looking at the M-Audio Audiophile 192khz but read a lot of bad reviews about it. I'm looking for great drivers and crystal clear sound and must be dead quiet! That's funny,SOS proclaimed the new converters on the card were nearly that of the EMU 1820 and identical to the new Teeratec which are quite good in a comparison test,and I can vouch for M-Audio drivers with Sonar as being nearly unmatched by any company except perhaps ECHO.I haven't actually used the 24/192 mind you,but I can vouch for the 24/96 which has excellent WDM and ASIO drivers which work great in Sonar and I'm reasonally sure they are the same drivers for the 192 as the Delta series are all the same driver.Perhaps the bad reviews were based on PCI-X performance?
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 08:45:57
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The Emu line has limited 192 functionality, read the documentation thoroughly. But there are very few valid reasons for waisting all your processing resources to record at sample rates above 48. Don
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 08:54:03
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Patrick: I have to agree with the M-Audio reliability. I have used three of their products in commercial producitions and live for broadcast. I have never had a problem other than a discrepancy regarding 16 vs 24 bit in the card driver - which M-Audio responded favorably. I am interested in your need for 192Khz sample rates - Where are your seeking improvement? -D
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 10:15:40
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That sounds kind of like a conflict of interest to me. If you think it's necessary to record at 192kHz, then that means you should also have very high-end equipment throughout your signal chain. That implies a rather large supply of money. So why cheap out on the soundcard? If you DON'T have extremely high-quality equipment everywhere, then why bother with 192kHz? That's like living 1/2 mile from your office and using a helicopter to commute.
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 11:46:11
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well, if you're using a PreSonus Firepod, the good news is there's no where to go but up ;-) This is just slightly above your $500 limit, but the M-Audio 1814 firewire will do 192/24 and actually has a reasonable DAC. But i will parrot what others are saying .. there is considerable debate as to the quality of audio gained from recording at this bit-rate . and you will blow through disk like you won't believe. Your DAW will also need to be specifically configured to stream multiple channels at this bitrate ... and many plug-ins top out at 96 .. so be aware that 192 is synonomous with high-end recording and just make sure you need it ... 'cause you'll pay a premium for it (particularly computationally). jeff
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 12:48:02
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You can read about my M-Audio FW 410 nightmare in the "Bye Bye SONAR" thread.
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 13:48:52
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Go here for M Audio Deals. I think at this place you will find a lot under $500.....................JDW
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Guyunique
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 14:32:32
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Okay lets set things straight, the reasion I am not looking for an expensive card is because I am going to be recording very limited tracks at a time. I am not recording like eight(8) or ten(10) tracks at a time. Besides, not all cards that are expensive have great sound or drivers. I use all external synth, Yamaha Motif ES, Roland Fantom X, Alesis DM-PRO, Roland XP-60, Korg Triton Extreme. I have all my synth routed to a digital rack mixer and then from the 96khz covertion output is connected to the digital input of my sound card. Presonus Firepod, which is very noisy. Why should I want an RME FIREFACE when I am only going to be recording one or track at a time. I just want a 192Khz sound card because I am buying a new one. I cannot technically tell you why I prefer a higher sample rate, it's a matter of preference. But if I am going to buy a new card, I might just buy one with a higher sample rate. My problem with the M-Audio Audiophile 192Khz is the it is noisy, lots of electronic type noise. The reviews were gather from several users world wide and before I buy a product, I have to thouroughly check with people who are using it. I have a home studio but nothing I use is of a home prize. I just want a very quiet card. Anymore suggestions, really appreciate all your help. Patrick, Minnesota.
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 15:07:19
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if you follow the link johndale posted, you can find the m-audio 410 and 1814 for under $500. these are good and quiet boxes .. the DAC/ADC are well away from the PCI bus. it's pretty quiet. you may not need all of the input initially, but once you start down this road .. you'll wish you did .. especially if your synths can put out a S/PDIF or ADAT line. jeff
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 15:08:45
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external Edirol FA-101 Internal EMU
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 15:11:20
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I will take exception the Emu recommendation ... nice hardware, horrific drivers and support. jeff
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stephenlnoe
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 16:38:04
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You know, your right. But that's exactly the way I think of M-audio. Nice hardware-terrible (horrific) driver, but support is pretty good since they were bought out by Avid. I had an 1814 that sucked and tried a 410 that sucked (driver wise), although I hear the latest drivers are better. One the other hand I've never had a problem with Edirol's drivers or hardware or support. Roland still rocks after all these years....
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 16:45:58
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I don't own a Firepod, but all this talk about it being noisy got me curious. Here are the published specs on the unit: FIREPOD HARDWARE SPECIFICATIONS Preamp Bandwidth 10Hz to 50kHz Preamp Input Impedance 1.3k Ohms Instrument Input Impedance 1M Ohms Preamp THD <0.005% Preamp EIN -125dB Preamp Gain 54dB Preamp Send Output Impedance 51 Ohms Preamp Return Input Impedance 10K Ohms ... Analog to Digital Converters (ADC) 24-Bit / (44.1, 48, 88.2, 96kHz) ADC Dynamic Range 107db DAC 24-bit / up to 96kHz DAC Dynamic Range 110db IEEE1394 Speed 400mbps According to spec, the equivalent input noise is 125dB down from 0dB (clipping). That's a lot... like about 21 bits' worth. To hear it you'd have to turn your monitor amp up so loud that you'd almost surely be hearing the amp's self-noise first. So, either PreSonus is guilty of false advertising (which I cannot confirm or deny), or the noise problem lies elsewhere. One thing to check: Unplug all outboard audio gear from the Firepod, plug the Firepod's AC adapter into the same power strip as the computer, and unplug anything else connected to the computer that gets power from the wall. Now listen to your input (or just record some silence). Is it quieter? If so, then that's your first step to licking your noise problem. Edit: For the interested reader, do a search for posts by me on "ground loop". I've posted a recipe in several places for licking 20-40% of these issues with DAWs ( actually, a little better than that). You mention 192kHz. I have no qualms if you really want to record that high. But (obviously from the spec) you'll be looking at a different card anyway. HTH, and success wishes for you!
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stephenlnoe
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 17:00:47
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For something like that I'd be looking at the cables or a missing ground.
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 17:10:52
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Focusrite is dropping the new Saffire next month ... its 24/192, firewire, dsp accelerated fx ... should go for 400-500 ... looks great ... Focusrite Saffire
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 17:13:46
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the new Saffire next month that design looks suspiciously like the digidesign Mbox ... hmmm what'dya make of that? ;-) jeff
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RE: The best "DAMN" 192KHZ SoundCard under $500.00
2005/06/04 17:18:42
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M-audio. Nice hardware-terrible (horrific) driver, the new set they released fixes most of the problems reported in the earlier ones .. they kind of had to fix 'em because they announced PT M-powered .. ;-) jeff
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