CHANGING INSTURMENTS/EDRIOL

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2005/06/06 12:43:24 (permalink)

CHANGING INSTURMENTS/EDRIOL

WHENEVER I'M IN EDIROL AND...LET'S SAY I'M USING "FRETLESS" BASS" IF I DON'T LIKE THAT AND WANT TO CHANGE IT TO "SLAP BASS" SOMETIMES WHEN I PLAY IT BACK TO HEAR HOW THE NEW INSTRUMENT WILL SOUND IT CHANGES BACK TO THE ORIGINAL INSTRUMENT "FRETLESS BASS" WHAT AM I DOING WRONG?
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    Robomusic
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    RE: CHANGING INSTURMENTS/EDRIOL 2005/06/07 01:03:17 (permalink)
    Good question, it always did that to me to, so i switched to other softsynths, and sound fonts. I would imagine it is partly due to the midi data that is coming from the midi tracks, edirol is able to read all that including patch settings
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    locust13
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    RE: CHANGING INSTURMENTS/EDRIOL 2005/06/07 11:49:35 (permalink)
    So It doesn't sound like anything can be done about it?? huh?, yeah I also use dream station, but I like Edirol a lot it seems like there are more sounds available and you can manipulate them better, oh wait, I just thought of something, I think there is a "console view" for Dreamstation, I'm going to try using that tonight and see if I can further edit the sounds tht it produces..cool..thanks for the reply Robo
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    Robomusic
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    RE: CHANGING INSTURMENTS/EDRIOL 2005/06/08 01:43:02 (permalink)
    At the end of this tutorial there are some other synths to download and try, i hope they help.

    Using soft synths

    When using midi tracks in CAKEWALK or any sequencer, there are many way to reproduce the sound from the midi data. One can use an internal synth on the sound card, or inside XP there is Microsoft synth GS, or you can route thru a soft synth that you download or install, some are synths, some are samplers, others use sound fonts, each has unique capabilities that you can use to reproduce midi data into sound.

    Cakewalk only uses DX type instruments as synths unless one installs a wrapper type program, these allow you to use VST instruments and effects, VST is a trademark that comes from cubase, and anyone who makes a program that uses VST technology must gain access to that from Cubase, Cakewalk uses DX technology that is from Microsoft development. So keep in mind that at first you need to obtain effects and instrument that are designed with DX technology.

    In order to use soft synths to replay a midi file you will need to play them through an audio track, this will allow the midi to be routed through a soft synth and produce an audible output. Here is what you need to do, and for this tutorial we will use Edirol VSC (VSC stands for Virtual Sound Canvas) but for all intents and purposes, this will work with any DX instrument, and at the end I will post links to several that you can down load.

    First let’s go to a midi download site and down load a file, then we will open it in CAKEWALK and process it. Go to this site http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/creed90952/index.htm?mtbrand=AOL_US

    Go down the page and find the eagles best of my love file, we will use this as the example, right click the file and then click save as target, save this file in a folder you are familiar with, then a pop up box will appear, that with ask you to open , click cancel.

    Now open CAKEWALK and go to file and then click open, the open box will allow you to find the folder that you saved the file in( the file name is bestlove.mid), then when you do double click it, it should open in MC. Now you will have a file that has 10 tracks of midi, there will be one track that say words on it, ignore it. Now under the last track that is named “Ride”, place your cursor and right click, a box will pop up go up and chose “insert audio track”, maximize that audio track by clicking the double box icon next to the MSR on the track, then right click the fx box and chose Dx Instruments, (or DX synths for some version) and click on Edirol VSC, Edirol will pop up close it for now, minimize the track again, and then maximize each midi track one at a time and left click each output box and chose Edirol VSC as the output, then minimize each until all of them have Edirol as the output device. Now hit play, and the file should play thru Edirol.

    Okay let’s learn to change up the sounds in Edirol a bit, go to the audio track that has Edirol in it and maximize it again, double click on edirol and it should pop up into view. Each track has been assigned to an instrument, this is because Edirol acts like a GM/GS synth like the one on the sound card, but with a little bit better tones. At the bottom of Edirol is a button called setup, click that and a box will open, change the generator tones to GS from GM, and slide the polyphony bar to 128 and hit okay. and then move Edirol down just a bit hit play again Now notice that you can adjust the panning, volume, reverb, expression, delay and chorus so if you want adjust a couple of those as the song plays.

    Now that is the basics, you can use any DX instrument to do this depending on it’s personal attributes, some only do one track, other do many. If you want more than one synth, then open more than one audio track to hold them. You might want edirol to do everything but the drums and guitar and use sampletank for those, then open two one for each.

    To get more synths go here http://www.kvraudio.com/ go to the side and see a box that has the words instruments, effects, host, etc. and click that then go down to advanced search, in box 1. click on instruments, go down further and find 2. and click DX, then down to 3 and click only Windows, then to 4. and click only free, then down to search. There should be 5 on the list go to sampletank, sonic synth, synth 1 and triangleII download each of these and they will work with CAKEWALK be careful to follow the instructions for each carefully, this will take some time be patient, this will set you up for some great sounds.
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    RE: CHANGING INSTURMENTS/EDRIOL 2005/06/08 09:54:09 (permalink)
    Sounds to me like there is a midi message changing the instrument before the section you a replaying. Look at the event list for that channel and see if you see any messages changing the patch. I change instruments in Edirol all the time to find the perfect bass, guitar, etc. and haven't had a problem making them stick. The only time I had a problem was when there was a midi event changing the instrument.
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    Robomusic
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    RE: CHANGING INSTURMENTS/EDRIOL 2005/06/08 13:25:51 (permalink)
    That makes perfect sense, I am still learning some midi stuff, most of the midi i use is pre-made, and i do not use Edirol, i use mostly sound fonts.
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    RE: CHANGING INSTURMENTS/EDRIOL 2005/06/10 15:55:34 (permalink)
    I am with bhthenn, I use the edirol and yes sometimes I get things happening that usually happens when I have multiple midi's going. In general, by making sure you have the right channel going you can pick what you want.

    Also check out what Robomusic was talking about wit the other synths, they have sounds that Edirol does not have and sometimes I use those also, sort of mix and match as needed.
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    locust13
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    RE: CHANGING INSTURMENTS/EDRIOL 2005/06/13 13:44:14 (permalink)
    thanks a lot guys "Robo" "Bhthenn" I'll look into that what if there is a msg that changes it is there anything I can do.....

    Also does anyone know if there's anyway to replicate a "slide" sound with the synths..for example a slide on the guitar or bass or a "pull of"...can that be done?
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