Using Project 5 a totally different way

Author
Post
Essentials Only Full Version
m912
Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
  • Total Posts : 22
  • Joined: 2005/06/09 00:38:19
  • Status: offline
2005/06/09 00:44:34 (permalink)

Using Project 5 a totally different way

I've used Project 5 before to load up VSTs like the Edirol Orchestral one and string samples when I do scoring for local/regional film projects. I also used it to do drum/synth work on two pop/rock-ish solo albums I've done. WHat I have NOT used it for is the kind of music that P5 is known for - Electronica.

I'm interested in the V2 upgrade for Dimension, but I want to learn - either in V1 or V2 - how to build electronic drum tracks, specifically introducing filters and stutters - kind of in the Aphex Twin style, so that my drum tracks are not repetitive and boring. Any ideas on good tutorials for Project 5 for people new to the world of electronica? Ultimately, I'd like to do some hip-hop production as well. Any good starting points for this would be appreciated.

One last thing - what's a good USB MIDI keyboard for V5 that has an easy-to-load definition file that will allwo me to start twisting knobs for filters on it immediately? I used a RAdium 49 previously (don't have it anymore), and I could never get it to do anything but just play the sounds I created or brought up in the program.
#1

9 Replies Related Threads
    techead
    Max Output Level: -31.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 4353
    • Joined: 2004/01/24 08:40:20
    • Location: Macomb, IL, USA
    • Status: offline
    RE: Using Project 5 a totally different way 2005/06/09 08:45:16 (permalink)
    Welcome to the forum, Micah!

    Of course I would wholly recommend the upgrade to P5V2. It is very inexpensive if you already own version 1.

    Dimension is an excellent synth and comes with excellent "preset" patches. Plus it is infinitely expandable for those that desire to learn how to "program" it with new multisamples. Very expressive and rich with MIDI control options.

    There have been several threads in this forum over the last year or so where Project5 users have shared their various techniques (including building drum parts). I have begun combing through the forum and pulling these little helpful jewels out and posting them to our new Project5 Wiki website for everyone to quickly and easily read. Check them out under the techniques section at http://p5.sonarama.com/ . In fact, while you're there sign up for an account and feel free to fill in any "blanks" on any of the topics with any expertise or tips that you have learned from your use of Project5. The Wiki is a place for all of us to post our collective knowledge.

    As far as a keyboard controller that is "ready to go outa da box" with templates for Project5 you'll find that there are none. Virtually any MIDI capable controller will work with Project5--there are vast numbers of manufacturers and models (Novation, Edirol, M-Audio, Studio Logic, CME, Roland, Yamaha, Alesis, Korg, JL Cooper, Mackie...and on and on and on). But no matter what you choose you will have to do some "programming" of the device and you will definitely need to "train" Project5 as to how you want it to respond to the streams of MIDI data that the controller generates. Again, check out the Project5 Wiki for more information as we have begun collection hardware/controller integration tips for Project5 at http://p5.sonarama.com/ .
    #2
    agincourtdb
    Max Output Level: -27.5 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 4753
    • Joined: 2004/02/09 09:32:19
    • Location: Maryland USA
    • Status: offline
    RE: Using Project 5 a totally different way 2005/06/09 13:57:36 (permalink)
    It's relatively easy to program midi remote control in P5, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Make good use of the 'learn' function.


    #3
    gourdjopy
    Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 540
    • Joined: 2005/03/30 15:15:41
    • Status: offline
    RE: Using Project 5 a totally different way 2005/06/09 14:12:20 (permalink)
    when it comes to stuttering drum effects, cyclone is a great tool for mangling samples. you can also use the modfilter to mix up a beat somewhat. using automation on reverb and delay effects can work wonders for changing a sound over time. then there's always straight up programming. lots of different variations. if you spend about an hour toying the patterns and effects you can create a never-repeating percussion track. of course, at that point, it might well be useless in terms of creating a rhythmic flow to a song...

    since it was brought up in another thread, native instruments reaktor is another tool i personally use for mutilating drum parts. some of the ensembles can produce reasonable approximations of aphex twin or squarepusher beats with practice. of course, that's an additional five hundred dollars, but it's just incredibly flexible for rhythm sequencing. i'd get p5 first.

    [edited because i write very poorly sometimes and hate to see it stay on the boards for too long]
    post edited by gourdjopy - 2005/06/09 14:16:19

    Jopyland wants you!
    #4
    mikeprager
    Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 154
    • Joined: 2004/11/02 16:26:19
    • Status: offline
    RE: Using Project 5 a totally different way 2005/06/09 16:30:24 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: m912

    I'm interested in the V2 upgrade for Dimension, but I want to learn - either in V1 or V2 - how to build electronic drum tracks, specifically introducing filters and stutters - kind of in the Aphex Twin style, so that my drum tracks are not repetitive and boring. Any ideas on good tutorials for Project 5 for people new to the world of electronica? Ultimately, I'd like to do some hip-hop production as well. Any good starting points for this would be appreciated.

    One last thing - what's a good USB MIDI keyboard for V5 that has an easy-to-load definition file that will allwo me to start twisting knobs for filters on it immediately? I used a RAdium 49 previously (don't have it anymore), and I could never get it to do anything but just play the sounds I created or brought up in the program.



    Hi There,
    if you're into Aphex or Squarepusher, the Dimension has a very cool "easter egg" feature where you can load any one of several included drum/musicial grooves into the synth, and then click and drag the accompaning MIDI groove from Dimension straight onto the arrangement window of P5v2. Then you can double click on the MIDI groove file and add/remove notes, shift them around, and even introduce some shuffle to them.

    If you're in any of the areas that we're doing clinics, stop on by and any of us can show you this very neat feature.

    Also, if you're looking for a good MIDI controller, give the Edirol controllers a shot.


    Michael Prager
    Cakewalk West Coast Product Specialist
    #5
    Digital Aura
    Max Output Level: -24 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 5118
    • Joined: 2004/01/18 13:30:46
    • Location: Petrolia,Ontario ORIGINAL P5 FORUM JUNKIE
    • Status: offline
    RE: Using Project 5 a totally different way 2005/06/09 17:04:06 (permalink)
    That EDIROL PCR-M1 looks incredible!! Nice slim profile...
    Brandon used it the other night at the P5 Tour in Detroit. Quite a nice little unit!


    Official P5 FANBOY!!!
    #6
    mikeprager
    Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 154
    • Joined: 2004/11/02 16:26:19
    • Status: offline
    RE: Using Project 5 a totally different way 2005/06/09 17:07:14 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Digital Aura

    That EDIROL PCR-M1 looks incredible!! Nice slim profile...
    Brandon used it the other night at the P5 Tour in Detroit. Quite a nice little unit!


    I agree. This is the same keyboard that I use on tour.

    Michael Prager
    Cakewalk West Coast Product Specialist
    #7
    m912
    Max Output Level: -90 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 22
    • Joined: 2005/06/09 00:38:19
    • Status: offline
    RE: Using Project 5 a totally different way 2005/06/10 16:01:22 (permalink)
    Mike Prager,

    Thanks! I'm in ATlanta, so I registered for the tour stop on 6/20. I'll be coming by with a lot of questions...so be ready!
    #8
    gourdjopy
    Max Output Level: -80 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 540
    • Joined: 2005/03/30 15:15:41
    • Status: offline
    RE: Using Project 5 a totally different way 2005/06/10 16:09:34 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: Digital Aura

    That EDIROL PCR-M1 looks incredible!! Nice slim profile...
    Brandon used it the other night at the P5 Tour in Detroit. Quite a nice little unit!


    i use an m1 as a portable unit and as a supplement to my regular korg digital piano (which has no knobs) and it really does the trick. the knobs are intuitive and sturdy, and it's smaller than my laptop. programming isn't too difficult. also, it's fantastic for portability. the tone wheel is so frustrating that i send all my cc1's to cc74, and the pitch bend takes some getting used to, but after a while the latter isn't too bad. for a pianist (you do play piano, right da?) it's not adequate because the key action isn't weighted and the velocity is a little oversensitive, but if you're laying down rhythm tracks, percussion, synth leads, etc. it's really nice.

    Jopyland wants you!
    #9
    mikeprager
    Max Output Level: -87 dBFS
    • Total Posts : 154
    • Joined: 2004/11/02 16:26:19
    • Status: offline
    RE: Using Project 5 a totally different way 2005/06/10 17:20:13 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: m912

    Mike Prager,

    Thanks! I'm in ATlanta, so I registered for the tour stop on 6/20. I'll be coming by with a lot of questions...so be ready!


    Hiya,
    I won't be the guy doing the demo there (pretty sure it will be Zac). So ask him any questions you want.

    Michael Prager
    Cakewalk West Coast Product Specialist
    #10
    Jump to:
    © 2024 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.1