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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 11:56:05
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Also: See this, stick with it. Allow the video to play. I guess a lot of you U.S types may have seen this already live. Andy
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 14:30:28
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Damn Andy, you beat me to it :)
"I got a fever... and the only prescription is... more cowbell!" - Christopher Walken
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 14:57:42
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Wow... I never would have guessed that cowbellists were so dedicated to their tone.  Come to think of it, I dont think I ever realised that cowbellists even existed! Just like those M&M guys.
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 15:20:03
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i particularly loved how it can emulate the tone of the most sought after cowbells. who seeks out cowbells? don't get me wrong, i love a good cowbell, i just never thought of it as a heavy "nuance" instrument. i mean, it is a COW-BELL, like a bell around a cow's neck. very funny. [edit: oh, whoops, i guess the site's a joke, eh? it wasn't apparent until checking out the different sounds per da's suggestion. it's still outstanding.]
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wrench45us
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 16:40:58
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when i joined the band in 4th grade cowbell was my 1st instrument
for reasons still beyond my understanding I had to retrieve and return the cowbell to a special spot where it hung in the janitor's office down by the scary boiler room
janitor was very special nice guy: Johnny Valella. That was by far the cleanest, shineist school I ever attended.
(and i know what Mikey's thinking and it wasn't like that at all)
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 16:46:11
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That was histerical! ORIGINAL: Andy C
Also:
See this, stick with it.
Allow the video to play. I guess a lot of you U.S types may have seen this already live.
Andy
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 17:32:17
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LOL...i saw that one too on SNL.
But the Electric cowbell at radmonkey is just over the top!! Did anyone click the audio samples!? LOL the OREGON TRAIL MODEL hahahahahahah And the tones for each of them are all the same but for 3 which are pitched up slightly. LOL
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 19:13:30
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ORIGINAL: Digital Aura
LOL...i saw that one too on SNL.
But the Electric cowbell at radmonkey is just over the top!! Did anyone click the audio samples!? LOL the OREGON TRAIL MODEL hahahahahahah And the tones for each of them are all the same but for 3 which are pitched up slightly. LOL
Um, as someone said earlier, someone has too much time on their hands LOL
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 21:53:01
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HEHE...
Billy... love the avatar... dang, where'd you find that!? That's sweet!
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/10 23:32:29
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ORIGINAL: Digital Aura
HEHE...
Billy... love the avatar... dang, where'd you find that!? That's sweet!
Haha, it's an ACTUAL can someone sent me. THere's some sauce in Italy or somewhere that's called MIDI! SO I took a pic of it :) I love it too hehe
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/11 20:18:12
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a digital modelling cowbell ... now who would have thought there would
be a market for such a thing? i guess i should roll out my MIDI
triangle ;-)
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/12 11:55:12
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I'm sure the digitally modeled cowbell has incredible "eardrum splitting power" - but nothing can ever beat the drumstick shattering acoustic response of an analog cowbell!! -Sol
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/12 12:10:14
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ORIGINAL: Sol
I'm sure the digitally modeled cowbell has incredible "eardrum splitting power" - but nothing can ever beat the drumstick shattering acoustic response of an analog cowbell!!
-Sol
I couldn't agree more. Listening to those samples, I could clearly hear aliasing and a rather unpleasant digital 'brittleness'. On the other hand, I suppose the digital modelling cowbell will probably keep its tuning as the studio gets hotter.
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/16 15:10:56
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I heartily endorse and approve of this product!!!!
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/16 18:11:37
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ORIGINAL: ucacjbs
ORIGINAL: Sol
I'm sure the digitally modeled cowbell has incredible "eardrum splitting power" - but nothing can ever beat the drumstick shattering acoustic response of an analog cowbell!!
-Sol
I couldn't agree more. Listening to those samples, I could clearly hear aliasing and a rather unpleasant digital 'brittleness'.
On the other hand, I suppose the digital modeling cowbell will probably keep its tuning as the studio gets hotter.
I too noticed the unpleasant digital ‘brittleness’ of the unit, particularly in the ‘Snowflake’ mod. While this might go unnoticed in the background to the less particular ear, it will never do for solo sections. I have found a workaround, however. If you warm the sound with an acoustical plug such as Amplitude, you will achieve an acceptable sound, particularly if you are able to layer it. But hang on to your money -- I hear Nexis is working on ‘The Bessy 5000’, which should konk circles around the VLC800. It’s supposed to be out by the end of the month.
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ucacjbs
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/16 18:18:29
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ORIGINAL: mike85021
I too noticed the unpleasant digital ‘brittleness’ of the unit, particularly in the ‘Snowflake’ mod. While this might go unnoticed in the background to the less particular ear, it will never do for solo sections.
My thoughts precisely. Around here we call it "Snowflakey!" My, we do have a laugh! ORIGINAL: mike085021
I have found a workaround, however. If you warm the sound with an acoustical plug such as Amplitude, you will achieve an acceptable sound, particularly if you are able to layer it.
Oh dear. No, no, and again NO! This is not the way to do it. The only way to possibly disguise the digital unpleasantness is to send it out through a tube amp, and record that through a nice tube condensor onto tape. Then you can send the tape output back in through a nice tube pre-, and add your Amplitudes and the like.
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/16 18:40:03
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This is nonsense. Hardware is a fool's errand now that we have powerful dektop computers. I can buy Spectraphonix "Klonkosphere" VST/Dxi/RTAS/AU sampler plugin for a fraction of the price. Every cowbell ever made, sampled 3 bell positions/3 side positions/handle/interior hits at 16 velocity levels! 4 gig on your HD!
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ucacjbs
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/16 18:44:19
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But Aggie, where's the soul?
If the DVD came in a metal case, then you'd have me interested.
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/16 18:48:54
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ORIGINAL: ucacjbs
But Aggie, where's the soul?
soul can be programmed, I tell you! you just have to tweak the midi note by note!
If the DVD came in a metal case, then you'd have me interested.
Who says it doesn't?
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/16 19:39:23
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I anticipated the digital/analog cowbell controversy boiling to the surface. In hindsight, it was inevitable, and only a matter of time. Perhaps not as heated yet as the 'handclap' discussions on the 'net [Is it "live", or someone's drug-induced rendering of some 'real' handclaps?], but it's certainly gaining a head of steam.
To try to prepare with some research, I took the time to interview quite a few herd of cattle on my recent trip to Upstate NY. The 'old-schoolers' [by & large dairy cattle and those on the ramp to the market train] prefer the analog style by a vast majority. But there was a strong presence among younger 'jitter-calves' that really took to a digital bell, even with the perceived sterile sound. It seems that they've found a way to mod the bells, and produce all manner of nuances from the raw circuitry (like producing a realistic car-horn sound to facilitate an escape plan from the pens). Could be the next TB-303 lo-fi craze.
I picked up a lot of tips from these experiences that I'd like to compile into a Bovine Bell [the PC term for those in the know] X-Treme SFX tutorial. If you've never put the digi-bells through the Arpeggiator on each of 19 instances/Device Chains, you be amazed at the subtlety and range of a digital cowbell. It's certainly enough to carry any project in its own right.
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mike85021
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/16 23:52:40
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ORIGINAL: ucacjbs
But Aggie, where's the soul?
Indeed yes! There is simply no 'MOOOOOO." ORIGINAL: b rock
I picked up a lot of tips from these experiences that I'd like to compile into a Bovine Bell [the PC term for those in the know] X-Treme SFX tutorial. If you've never put the digi-bells through the Arpeggiator on each of 19 instances/Device Chains, you be amazed at the subtlety and range of a digital cowbell. It's certainly enough to carry any project in its own right. You understand you are opening up possibilities for entire COWBELL CHOIRS, konking out Christmas Carols on icy street corners. OR in ... CHURCH?!? Mon deus gratius konkus en bovinus! (What ever happened to Latin Mass and those lovely little castratos, anyway?) Egad! What an annoying thought. I may not sleep tonight. 
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ucacjbs
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/17 00:19:32
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You understand you are opening up possibilities for entire COWBELL CHOIRS, konking out Christmas Carols on icy street corners.
Hmm... This reminds me of an Austrian bar in London (just around the corner from the Queensway tube stop on the Central Line if anyone fancies going looking for it). If memory serves, the name of the place was The Tirola Hut, which was kind of odd, when you consider that it's in a basement. Anyway, the point is that at the appropriate point in the evening, a maiden dressed in Austrian garb would carry a tray full of cowbells (pure analog, I'm afraid, young 'uns) ; the 'bells would then be picked up and rang by an older, be-lederhosened, gentleman who could really carry a tune with them. Left me tell you, Bruce Dickinson would have had a fever no more.
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Locopomo2
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/17 02:34:59
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I haven't got time for this tiresome debate on cowbells. I'm far too busy working on my commission from the Dog Whistle Quartet.
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/17 02:44:51
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ORIGINAL: Locopomo2
I haven't got time for this tiresome debate on cowbells. I'm far too busy working on my commission from the Dog Whistle Quartet.
Wow, cool. I saw them at Lincoln Ceter. They did a selection of works by Riley, Penderecki, Part, Adams, and Spot.
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mike85021
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RE: No Studio is complete without this!
2005/06/17 14:59:43
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ORIGINAL: Locopomo2
I haven't got time for this tiresome debate on cowbells. I'm far too busy working on my commission from the Dog Whistle Quartet.
Another great instrument with severe limitations -- unless you're a dog, you can't hear most of the high notes.
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