MIDI device problem

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2005/06/27 13:46:01 (permalink)

MIDI device problem

I just installed my Music Creator Version 2... I created a song on the staff with lyrics and when I press play there is no sound. I discovered that I had no MIDI devices selected. So I followed the directions to choose them and when I clicked OK, it said i still had none chosen. I only have one in the output list and none in the input list. I click on the one in the ouput list and then click OK but it still says that I don't have any chosen. PLEASE help! i would REALLY like to hear my song....
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    Robomusic
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 14:26:21 (permalink)
    We would love to help, but have no idea what you have available, what OS are you using, what sound card, (what options in themidi setup box), how much ram, and CPUY speed helps as well, now to take a wild stab in the dark, I guess midi mapper is the only option, go to options/audio and check the box that say "always use MME drivers even is WDM is avaialble" ot something to that effect, then close and re-open the program, then go tooption/midi devices, and select Microsoft synth GS as the midi playback device and try to play your track.

    Next if that works post back and we will start to teach you to use other synths for better sound.
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    kuragarichild
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 14:31:02 (permalink)
    um... i did that thing you said the MME thing... I then chose Microsoft synth GS and then it appeared to work, but when I press play, still, nothing plays. i'm sorry, but I'm not sure of anything you asked of me... all i know is that i'm on windows XP... all I've done is put in my lyrics and added notes to the staf... is there more that i need to do to have anything that will play? also i'm completely lost as fas as making beats and adding sounds... nothing in this program makes sense to me

    thanks
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    kuragarichild
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 14:33:18 (permalink)
    all i want to do is listen to what i have, add a beat and some cool sounds... why does it have to be so complicated????
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 15:07:46 (permalink)
    Read this carefully and follow the instructions:

    Now for audio, midi playback and recording setup. Open the program it will usually run the wave profiler for you the first time you open it. You will get two pop ups to start with first a Tip of the day box will display, if you want you can scan thru a few of those, when done close it then a project box will display, close that also. Go to the top of the screen and find options, left click that and a box will appear, find audio click that and another box will display it has several tabs at the top the first is “general”, you will see tow thin boxes that are named playback and record wave devices, they should contain the name of your sound card, if it does not then run the wave profiler again to see if it adds it. Once that is right set the buffer slider to around the middle to start with that will save another problem later. Go to the advanced tab and check the box “Always use the MME interface even when WDM drivers are available” this will force the system to use the older windows MME drivers just incase your sound card does not support the newer WDM drivers, and will give you another option for midi playback. Now go to the input monitoring tab and un-highlight anything in the large white box, proceed to the drivers and driver profile tabs and make sure that your sound card is listed there as well, click okay and go back to options/midi devices, here a box will display that has two side one for midi input and the other for output, if using a midi keyboard you will need to highlight the input that the keyboard is plugged into, for out put if your sound card has it’s own midi synth chip you can highlight that, if not highlight Microsoft synth GS, that is an internal synth chip that will playback midi. DO NOT highlight Midi Mapper, it does not play sounds. Now the program should reproduce both midi playback and wave file output.

    One point to remember is that midi is not sound, a midi track or file is just a complex data stream, that tells a synth chip what note, instrument, volume, timing, velocity, etc. to play at, it takes some kind of instrument that can read and process that data and produce sound from it like a synth or keyboard. Audio files are actual recordings of sound waves on the hard drive, the two are vastly different, MC is a program that brings the two worlds together to co-exist.

    Take the time to go and do the tutorials they will give you a solid basis for using MC. A lot of the folks that come here are beginners, and have read the box that says this is a snap and will have you making songs in a few minutes, while that can be true if your system is setup right, computer recording is complicated and has many variables. Be patient and ask questions, read many posts, and find other sites that are related to music, I personally have bookmarked 7 different forums that I participate in and many are far advanced over my thick head, so I am learning everyday.


    Recording Your First Audio Tracks

    Now that you have MC up and running and can play the sample tutorials, you are ready to record audio data; we will assume that you will be recording (a) a Guitar and (b) a Microphone.

    Hooking Your Instrument Into Your Computer for Audio Recording
    In order to input audio data into your computer, you will need to connect your instrument to your soundcard. Although there are many advanced ways to do this (with pre-amplifiers and mixers and advanced soundcards) we will assume that you are plugging your instrument or microphone directly into the standard type of soundcard that comes with most computers. Your soundcard should at a minimum have two (and may have more inputs) 1/8" inputs (that's the same size as a plug for a pair of headphones). One of the inputs will have a picture of a microphone or will say "mic" (We'll call this the "Mic Input") and the other will say "line-in" (we'll call this the "Line-In Input").

    Recording Your Guitar

    Your guitar cord is a mono cord with 1/4" jacks (the big ones). You will likely need to buy a mono 1/4" jack to 1/8" stereo jack adapter (go to Radioshack, they have it). Once you have the adapter on, plug your guitar cord into the Line-In Input. Now read the following:

    http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Lessons/WindowsMixer.asp

    Now you should know how to activate the Line-In recording function of the windows mixer - do that now.
    Go into MC and arm an audio track (how to do that is another lesson I guess) - you should now be able to hear and record your guitar.

    Recording Your Microphone

    Your microphone may or may not need the adapter jack. If it does not, and the end of your microphone is already equipped with an 1/8" jack, please plug that into the Mic Input (if it is not, you will need to buy a stereo 1/4" to 1/8" adapter). Now go to the windows mixer and activate the Microphone recording function of the windows mixer.
    Go into MC and arm an audio track - you should now be able to hear and record your voice.

    Afterthoughts

    The above is very basic and once you are able to do the above you should note the following:
    - The Mic Input is a soundcard input that has a pre-amplifier built in that boosts the level of the signal from the microphone. Since most basic soundcards stink, you may want to invest in a mixer or pre-amplifier that will do this independently. If you do this, you would record the microphone (hooking the output from the preamp or mixer) directly into the Line-In Input. Also, you may want to plug your guitar into an amp, preamp, mixer or a combination of all of these before plugging it into the Line-In Input to achieve better sound results."
    post edited by Robomusic - 2005/06/27 15:12:00
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    meadowman
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 15:09:34 (permalink)
    Why does it have to be so complicated? It should be complicated: you are duplicating what used to require a million dollar recording studio, but for $40! (plus computer, of course..). I had trouble (and still have problems) when I first tried to get going, but thanks to this site, the helpful folks here got me going and have kept me rolling.

    Spend some time going through this site, use the search function, and spend a day reading through the posts and I think you will find that you are not alone!

    Once you know your way around, you will find that this forum beats any other type of tech support.

    Good luck and don't give up!
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    Robomusic
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 15:20:50 (permalink)
    Well said MDM, we all want to beleive the hype on the box install this software and be a recording engineer, well unfortunately it is far more complicated than that, i literally spend t 4 years geting to the point i am at now where it is fairly easy.

    That is not said to discurage, but just as a reference to say anything you want to be good at take effort and time, if you want to play the piano, you can not by software that will make you a piano player, you can get software that teaches therory and contains very good lessons, but only hard work will make it come to fruition. Conversly, opening a box will not make you a recording expert, it take time and effort to learn and really takes money to setup a decent computer system, recording is that most demanding thing you will ask your system to do, far more thatn gaming and far different.

    having a basic system takes a good solid fast computer, with lots of am, a large hard drive, and even better two hard drives. a good to better sound card, preferably a Pro-sumer music card or interface, a small mixer (some interfaces have mixers built in) and a good mike and cables.

    Then learn all you can by reading everything on several sites, get a book on your software and read, Scott Garrigus lurks around here (hey Scott man) and he writes some excellent books on the subject.
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    kuragarichild
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 15:21:11 (permalink)
    wowww...... thanks a whole lot for that long one!! it was very good but it still doesn't fix my problem ... it still isnt playing any sounds... but i feel as though I must repeat... do i need to do anything more than add notes to the staff view to be able to hear anything becuase that is all i have done.

    thanks for all the support
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    Robomusic
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 15:47:54 (permalink)
    Check this, are you in a midi track when you open the staff view, because it will not work in an audio track.

    Try this close the program and re-open, start a new project, and open a midi track, then click on staff view and then enter some notes and see what happens
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    kuragarichild
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 15:51:18 (permalink)
    hey that works!!! i kept doing normal and it wasn't making any noise but i switched it to MIDI Only and now it works!!! but does that mean i have to make my song all over again???

    thank you SOOOOO much!!!!
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    Robomusic
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 18:49:36 (permalink)
    No you can use normal, just make sure that midi data is in a midi track. if the staff view information was entered on an audio track then copy and paste to a midi track if that does not work then start over
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    RE: MIDI device problem 2005/06/27 19:56:03 (permalink)
    Hey Robomusic - Thanks for the recommendation!

    Hi kuragarichild - I don't know what version of the Cakewalk software you are using, but if it's Music Creator 2002 or 2003, you may want to check out my Sonar Power book. Music Creator is just a scaled-down version of Sonar and the book will walk you through all of the features. You can find more info at:
    http://www.garrigus.com/powerbooks.asp

    Also, be sure to sign up for my free music technology and home recording newsletter:
    http://www.digifreq.com/digifreq/

    Thanks!
    Scott

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