voyuers
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Sounds diffrent in daws
Look im a old sonar user from the cakewalk 8 days i know this topic has been heard no flames just asking.
I listaned to a audio file in 3 daws Sonar, cubase sx3 and nuendo . I do not have those two but my freinds has them went to there house.
dam thing sounds diffrents and those who think cant be well i thought so. Cubase sounded a little puncher then sonar more digital and thinner.
Sonar and nuendo are close sounding to each other more analog like bigger but nuendo is a little bit smoother and cleaner. LIked nuendo sound better but dam . Looks like ill take forever to get anything done there. LOve the way sonar is you work fast and dont break your balls doing it.
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 01:06:30
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 01:08:12
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Do they all have good monitors?
Sounds like your more experienced than me but did you also compare a normal pressed CD also?
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 01:10:35
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ORIGINAL: voyuers
I listaned to a audio file in 3 daws Sonar, cubase sx3 and nuendo .
Was the signal passed through any fx or plugin at all on any of the software, do you know, eg any eq? I believe that Cubase for example and perhaps Nuendo have built in EQ on their mastering busses (though they might not call them that). If so, were they enabled or disabled? Even passing a signal through some enabled EQ plugins with all settings at neutral can still affect the sound (try it with for example Waves LinearBand EQ if you don't believe me).
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 01:23:36
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I agree with Sonarforum's suggestion about Panning laws (Craig Anderton's article) being the likely explanation. Click the link and check it out. JD
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 02:22:20
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ORIGINAL: voyuers
Cubase sounded a little puncher then sonar more digital and thinner.
Sonar and nuendo are close sounding to each other more analog like bigger but nuendo is a little bit smoother and cleaner. did you play the audio file in windows media player too? i'm curious whether it sounds more like sonar or the others
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 05:14:57
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There could be a numerous reasons why it sounds different. The main suspect is the panning laws although there are so many variables that could cause the same effect - the sound cards, the room, speaker type, speaker position, any external gear. If you play back a mix through Windows Media Player (with none of the WOW crap on) it will sound different than if you play it back through WinAmp which to my ears is the most transparent player. (I think it must be the gold-tipped oxygen-free coding that's in WinAmp). On the other hand, to go further, I've done a mix on a Mbox system with the exact same plugs, volumes, and panning laws that I done on Sonar4PE and the SonarPE mix was much bigger sounding overall. This was the same set-up apart from the Mbox interface but the mixes were bounced and compared - they did not null out. There can be sonic differences. This is not a dig at you personally by the way, just a view for the masses: As for Nuendo sounding analog; how did it sound so? The only difference between analogue and digital is noise and distortion and, in the case of Neve/SSL desks etc., an EQ curve. I just love the discussions about the holy trinity of analog. "I am the noise; the distortion; and the holy EQ" - please!!! 
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voyuers
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 08:23:12
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OH how i like this Forum i get answers i said somthing in cubase and never got a answer. Well i used mackies 824s in my system. My freind also has 824s dam Cubase freak. It was really two files a gutiar track and a midi file played in Sonar. Using the trilogy plug in. Guys but i send my mix to my roland vmc7200 and send it back there i hear a diffrents. But that has to do with thte external mix bus. Any one do that? OH yeah anybody hear the panasonic Da7?
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 10:10:21
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ORIGINAL: voyuers
Look im a old sonar user from the cakewalk 8 days i know this topic has been heard no flames just asking.
I listaned to a audio file in 3 daws Sonar, cubase sx3 and nuendo . I do not have those two but my freinds has them went to there house.
dam thing sounds diffrents and those who think cant be well i thought so. Cubase sounded a little puncher then sonar more digital and thinner.
Sonar and nuendo are close sounding to each other more analog like bigger but nuendo is a little bit smoother and cleaner. LIked nuendo sound better but dam . Looks like ill take forever to get anything done there. LOve the way sonar is you work fast and dont break your balls doing it. Greetings Boris, I appreciate that you tried to make a good unbiased listen of the 3 DAWs, but there are several things that probably influenced the results. - Different plugins and EQs --- these can really affect the sound and some are much better than others
- Different sound cards --- some sound cards that are commonly used in DAWs shouldn't even be sold as professoinal
- Different monitors --- almost nothing is as subjective as the sound of different monitors
- Different rooms --- except for the very small sweet spot very close to the monitors at low volume, the room affects the sound more than anything else
- Different times --- how could you accurately remember subtle nuances between each listening experience
- Not blind testing --- you knew what you were listening to and this almost always influences us poor humans
I'm sure you heard a lot of differences, but those differences were probably not DAW related. Regards, David
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 11:08:28
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perhaps is the listening enviroment? I've seen this in the past, poor travelling mixes, or poor acustics in the mix room.. I went all out and paid for Aurolex people to come design my control and tracking rooms.. It made a huge difference, what you hear is now what you get, from system to system my stuff sounds consistant I use older monitors, JBL Control Monitors for my "big guys" and JBL 4411's for near fields. I like the setup, my mix sounds true from home stereos to car stereos to boom boxes..
Hope this helps
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 17:31:54
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Woweee! I had not heard about panning laws. This explains a lot though. Does anybody know the default panning law for Pro Tools? I have had to mix quite a few songs tracked in PT I think this has been part of my delima.
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/28 21:15:58
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ORIGINAL: rgoldie
If you play back a mix through Windows Media Player (with none of the WOW crap on) it will sound different than if you play it back through WinAmp which to my ears is the most transparent player. (I think it must be the gold-tipped oxygen-free coding that's in WinAmp).
so now i have to find a wav player that's open-source and doesnt process the data before copying it to the sound driver if that's even possible in win xp i don't know
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/06/29 06:07:23
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THe new version of WinAmp is probly the best sounding release in terms of transparency. I remember V3 which sounded so crap even when playing CDs through it.
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/08/14 10:52:29
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I think I read somewhere that PT uses -2.5db center.
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/08/14 16:23:48
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Unless you were listening on the same monitors, with the same sound card, in the same room
I can't see how you can make any comparision that would be accurate.
Steve
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RE: Sounds diffrent in daws
2005/08/14 20:08:05
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mix bus test You could listen to these files from 4 different DAWs, see if one sounds better or different. I stress listen, btw. It's all about the ears, right?
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