Unmovable files during defragmenting process!!

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Neel1
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2005/08/11 07:47:07 (permalink)

Unmovable files during defragmenting process!!

Is this a problem??? This is something I noted. From time to time, I have to defragment my hard-disk, but this process is never really complete because of the presence of files like Sonar bundle files or Reason refills on my hard drive. The refills files are always classified as unmovable by the defragmenting tool, thus making the defragmenting incomplete!! Does anyone here know anything about this? Is this a problem and do I needto find a solution to it??

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    Tonmann
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    RE: Unmovable files during defragmenting process!! 2005/08/11 07:53:26 (permalink)
    Normally, only system-files and files being actually opened at that point of time are un-movable by defrag.
    However, XP's inbuilt defrag isn't a power-horse, so I'd recommend switching to an alternative defragmentation software anyway.
    I'm using O&O free Defrag 2000 here, which was originally built for Win 2k, but works with XP, too. I'm quite happy with it.

    cheers,
    Chris

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    danp2000
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    RE: Unmovable files during defragmenting process!! 2005/08/11 07:58:52 (permalink)
    The standard for defrag software is Diskeeper. The WinXP defrag utility was written by them.

    Some of the advantages of Diskeeper are faster, unattended defrag (like @ 3 am, etc.). I'm sure there are other advantages.


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    RE: Unmovable files during defragmenting process!! 2005/08/12 00:50:25 (permalink)
    Hello Neel

    Sorry Tonmann, hate to disagree but the unmovable files are the system page file. It is what your computer uses as virtual memory.

    If your memory is system managed, it will eventually become fragmented, causing your system to slow to some degree. And since windows defrag doesn't address this fragmentation this could be a problem, depending on what kind of use your computer gets. You could look for a better defrag utility but a more effective tweak would be: create a single unchangeable swap file on its own partition.

    To do this you have to first create a new partition about twice the size of your installed memory. Less if you have lots of memory, more if you have little. Then go to system properties>advanced>performance>advanced>virtual memory. Set all partitions to have no paging file except for the new partition you have just created where you will set a custom size with initial and maximum values just smaller than the size of your new partition (overhead). Just reboot and you should be good.

    If you are one of those who believe in one gigantic partition go here. HTH, Ken.


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    RE: Unmovable files during defragmenting process!! 2005/08/12 01:32:53 (permalink)
    ken,
    Thanks very much for that link !
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    RE: Unmovable files during defragmenting process!! 2005/08/12 03:21:38 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info....I will try this!!

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    RE: Unmovable files during defragmenting process!! 2005/08/12 08:05:59 (permalink)
    Then go to system properties>advanced>performance>advanced>virtual memory. Set all partitions to have no paging file except for the new partition you have just created where you will set a custom size with initial and maximum values just smaller than the size of your new partition (overhead).

    There's a bug in XP that can cause the OS to ignore these settings unless you keep a minimal pagefile on the boot drive, 2MB min/50MB max should be fine. If you have no paging file on the boot drive, the bug can result in XP complaining about no pagefile or creating a huge pagefile on your boot drive, regardless of these settings.
    post edited by sinc - 2005/08/12 08:15:28
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    Tonmann
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    RE: Unmovable files during defragmenting process!! 2005/08/12 08:56:28 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ken99

    Hello Neel

    Sorry Tonmann, hate to disagree but the unmovable files are the system page file. It is what your computer uses as virtual memory.

    Err... that doesn't conflict with what I said, does it?! The virtual memory swap-file IS a system-file.

    Btw, there is a free tool that let's you automatically defrag these non-defragable system-files while boot up. Just google for "pagedefrag". ;)

    ORIGINAL: sinc

    There's a bug in XP that can cause the OS to ignore these settings unless you keep a minimal pagefile on the boot drive, 2MB min/50MB max should be fine. If you have no paging file on the boot drive, the bug can result in XP complaining about no pagefile or creating a huge pagefile on your boot drive, regardless of these settings.

    I never had such an error here, and I used separated swap-partitions since Win98 yet.
    Is there any online resource that proves that claim? I'm just asking out of curiosity.

    cheers,
    Chris
    post edited by Tonmann - 2005/08/12 09:07:21

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    sinc
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    RE: Unmovable files during defragmenting process!! 2005/08/12 20:25:42 (permalink)
    http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

    I'm not sure under what circumstances this happens. It might have something to do with the following:

    http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;141468
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