MOTU2408 mkii with project 5 audio issue

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2005/08/11 08:54:54 (permalink)

MOTU2408 mkii with project 5 audio issue

When I record a second audio track in p5 I get noise (almost like clock instability) no dropout, but frequent burps with silence. This only happens during recording, playback is fine. Bad description, I know. I have tried everything I can think of to remedy this. I can't load the latest version of the driver because it crashes my machine. Oddly enough, Sonar 4.03 works fine. I can rewire p5 into sonar and do my audio from there. I can use the asio driver for my podxt just fine (although that means I have to monitor through the podxt) I have done the following:

reinstalled the driver
reconfigured the driver many times
tried every clock source in the studio
defraged audio drive
given up

This destroyed the creative flow on a tune I was having a lot of fun with. It turned into ....a major PITA. I have decided to just use the podxt asio driver or rewire to sonar, but I thought I would throw it out here in case anyone has an idea to try. I want to create music, not engineer my computer. waaaaaahhhhhhh.

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    darc
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    RE: MOTU2408 mkii with project 5 audio issue 2005/08/11 09:34:37 (permalink)
    Have you tried setting latency very high, as an initial test? This is a good way to determine whether you just have a simple performance issue or not. Try a latency of several seconds (not milliseconds) and if the MOTU driver exposes this information double or quadruple your buffer size. If things sound better, see how low you can trim latency back before problems resume.

    If you're familiar w/ computer recording and you feel your required latency is too high given the speed of your PC, then consider any other software services that might be running intermittently to slow things down and introduce this noise - i.e. network queries, scheduled antivirus events... even viruses themselves. Windows will get in the habit of juggling lots and lots of balls if left alone for too long. You've got to make a real effort to keep the environment lean.

    Just an aside: I stopped using MOTU products (had a 2408 at one time) because I hated their drivers so much. So blaming MOTU as a last resort is not out of the question. You should post your system specs here, and also e-mail them to MOTU tech support.

    P.P.S. Just noticed this: "tried every clock source in the studio"
    Sounds scary - how many are there?? Step one is to eliminate as many as possible. See whether the PC and MOTU alone exhibit this problem, in the absence of any external timing slaves/masters. Then reintroduce variables until the problem recurrs.
    post edited by darc - 2005/08/11 09:42:52
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    RE: MOTU2408 mkii with project 5 audio issue 2005/08/11 11:05:04 (permalink)
    I have the MOTU 2408 MK3 no issues with the latest drivers and it is rock solid on my system(as well as previous drivers), using ASIO at 10ms, Maybe something in P5 went corrupt? have you tried reinstalling P5?
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    RE: MOTU2408 mkii with project 5 audio issue 2005/08/11 13:47:02 (permalink)
    I tried higher latency, but not that high. I will attempt that. My pc has had all the "optimize for audio" steps already. Maybe I will re-install P5. That is one thing I haven't done. Once I do that will my tunes be able to find all their stuff?
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    RE: MOTU2408 mkii with project 5 audio issue 2005/08/11 14:40:40 (permalink)
    You shouldn't have any problem with tunes finding audio, etc. P5 defaults to audio in project folders, which is not HDD-optimized, but is very easy in terms organization and recovery.

    Start with the latency experiment first, as it will be less work if it pans out. I seem to remember a friend w/ a MOTU 896 having problems with audio at low latencies, and resolving by changing his buffer size. Problem is I'm not sure how to get at that in P5 - we were setting up Sonar at the time. You might want to try re-profiling your audio in Options/ Audio too.
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    RE: MOTU2408 mkii with project 5 audio issue 2005/08/11 20:50:17 (permalink)
    I can access the asio panel from p5 audio options. If I increase thebuffer to 2048 then the problem is mostly fixed. That gives me a whoppin 46 ms latency. If I bring the buffer to 1024 for 23 ms, the problem returns. I can't remember now, but I don't think the wdm's worked with p5. I won't be able to use it at 46 ms. Any ideas of where to go from here? background programs again? yee haaaw.


    Thanks for the help.

    al
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    RE: MOTU2408 mkii with project 5 audio issue 2005/08/12 09:43:42 (permalink)
    This is just a hunch... as non-intuitive as it sounds, you might want to *decrease* your buffer to 256 (should put you at ~8ms) or even 128 (4ms) and then slide your latency back up to around 10ms+ and see whether that is usable.

    BTW, what kind of CPU, HDD and memory do you have in your PC?
    post edited by darc - 2005/08/12 09:48:57
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    RE: MOTU2408 mkii with project 5 audio issue 2005/08/13 08:22:01 (permalink)
    Turns out that quicktime was loaded in memory, once I closed that and a browser extension that was also in memory, everything is back to normal. I can't remember if I updated quicktime while installing something else or what really happened...but now it works. Thanks for all the help folks.

    back to piling guitar wails on a squeejaw bass line.

    al

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