Strange "flange" feedback question

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2005/08/13 17:55:09 (permalink)

Strange "flange" feedback question

I use Sonar Producer 4.0.2 with a PreSonus FirePod on a HP laptop (1.75 GHz Pentium M, 1GB, recording into firewire external drive 280gigs, using WDM at 10 msec (FirePod set at 4msec)). Recording and playback work fine. However, when not recording or playing back, when I listen to instruments through Echo Input, a flange-sounding feedback occurs at irregular intervals. Once it starts, I have to turn off the audio engine and turn it back on to make the feedback go away. Any ideas what causes this?
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    BlindDog
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    RE: Strange "flange" feedback question 2005/08/13 19:01:10 (permalink)
    Input echo looping, perhaps?

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    RE: Strange "flange" feedback question 2005/08/13 19:25:46 (permalink)
    Flanging comes from hearing two (or more) copies of a signal a few ms apart. Most people start becoming aware of flanging [sometimes called 'phasing' by those who've spent time with guitar pedals] in the 10-15 ms range... above 30 or 35 ms one tends to begin hearing two separate sounds (depending on the nature of the sound, of course... a string pad might not be obvious, where a percussion hit would.)

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    RE: Strange "flange" feedback question 2005/08/13 19:36:20 (permalink)
    Input looping seems like a good guess. (Of course, I meant Input Monitoring when I said Input Echo--this is for audio, not MIDI.)

    But--If it's input looping, wouldn't that happen when recording too? In any event, there's no software mixer for the FirePod and I have the hardware mixer set completely for hearing playback (which in FP-ese means, playback what's coming from SONAR and don't echo any input to the output). Maybe something's going on with the on-board card--I'll try just disabling it.

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    RE: Strange "flange" feedback question 2005/08/13 19:48:04 (permalink)
    The flanging sound I'm getting isn't a straight flange; it tends to have a beat to it (more, less, more, less, MORE, MORER, MORERER), so there's definitely some kind of feedback loop going on too. And it's bizarre--when transport is running (either to play or record) I don't get it. (At least not yet.)
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    RE: Strange "flange" feedback question 2005/08/13 23:22:31 (permalink)
    So if it's not during record or playback, it's when everything is stopped? What about effects tails? You running any effects that could be feeding back on themselves?
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    RE: Strange "flange" feedback question 2005/08/14 00:05:26 (permalink)
    To me that sounds like digital feedback from a loop. Sounds like you have a input monitoring loop happening. Does it do it with input monitoring off?....................JDW
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    RE: Strange "flange" feedback question 2005/08/14 15:47:20 (permalink)
    Thanks guys for the help.

    Yes, it's while all transport is stopped. This happens even with no effects; and yes it is with input monitoring on because that's how I'm listening to what's going in. I'm only listening to the output from SONAR (not doing any direct monitoring). I suppose I can work around it (use direct monitoring to set up level and then only use input monitoring when playing along with previous recording). But it shouldn't be happening!
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