davestoy
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Glaz and others.....
now that I am ready to record the bluegrass band I spoke of in a recent thread, I want to know what you would do to eq them. I mean, do you let the natural sound come through without 'coloring' it with eq? Do I need to eq it to get a better sound (if that is possible), or what?
Your suggestions would be of great help to me!
David
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RE: Glaz and others.....
2005/09/12 17:12:36
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I wouldn't apply EQ unless you need it. That will depend on you mic's, preamps, instruments, mic placement, etc... I wouldn't make any assumptions about how to EQ it before tracking.
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davestoy
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RE: Glaz and others.....
2005/09/12 21:01:20
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Mike, I didn't do any eq'ing to the tracks going in to the board. It sounded pretty good for the first time to track bluegrass/gospel! The instruments sound as good as when they were input. This was actually pretty fun to do! As they got ready to leave, they listened to the raw recording and was pleased enough to book a return time to do an album!
Thanks for all your help, man!
David
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glazfolk
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RE: Glaz and others.....
2005/09/12 22:51:59
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David, Just seen your post ... gotta rush now but will get back to you later this afternoon (Oz time!) Best, Geoff PS Can you post details of your arrangements - ie which instruments/vocals did you record and which mikes for each? which parts (if any) were recorded "live" together, and which (if any) were overdubbed? Thanks!
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glazfolk
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RE: Glaz and others.....
2005/09/13 00:11:17
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.. meanwhile you might find this helpful, from "The Art of Mixing" by David Gibson ... top book! 
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davestoy
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RE: Glaz and others.....
2005/09/13 06:40:40
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Geoff, first of all, they didn't bring the dobro player with them. They had a song without that instrument that they wanted to do. They had a Martin acoustic guitar, a Takimine acoustic/electric guitar, an upright bass and a Mandolin. 4 vocal tracks were recorded, also.
I used SM57's on the two guitars along with the line in on the Takimine. (Tak got 2 tracs)
I used a C-1 condensor for the bass at the f-hole.
I useda C-1 condensor for the mandolin aimed at the point where the neck meets the body.
All of the above mentioned were recorded together at the same time with quite pleasing results!
I next tracked the vocals, using a C-1, B2 Pro, B-1, and another C-1. All of these were recorded together. With this setup, I had no need for the room mics. After the tracking was finished and we sat and listened to the recording, the group was very pleased!
Actually, so was I, especially since I felt like there would be tremondous bleed from the vocals. But to my amazement, there wasn't that much that a little cleanup can't fix!
All of this was a learning experience for me, as I had never recorded this way before. So what I have learned in just this one session will take me a little further in the recording side of the business!
Again, Geoff, thanks for all your help!
David
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glazfolk
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RE: Glaz and others.....
2005/09/13 07:36:03
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David, Looks like you did a great job and enjoyed yourself too! Back to your original question about EQ, I'd agree with Mike's comments, in general, keep EQ to a minimum necessary. Not much advice you need from me really. One or two ideas possibly come to mind: 1. The Bass Guitar. I usually use 2 mikes - the C1 on the F Hole is great, I usually use another (like NT4 or SM57) as well just where the neck mets the body, to get more punch. If your Bass track isn't punchy enough for your ears, clone it, pan each slightly off centre (say one 15% L, the other 15% R but this will depend on the overall mix) and on one of these two Bass tracks, add a few dB around 1k to 2k and drop a little around 300. Again, experiment, it might not improve the sound, but it might. 2. If the mandolin doesn't cut through the mix too well (and you want it to!) try Gating it (Sonitus Gate is execllent). Sweep between about 800 and 5k to find the range which you can boost to bring it forward a little without making it sound honky. Congrats on them wanting to come back ... it's a nice feeling isn't it?  Let us know how it goes, won't you? Best, Geoff
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davestoy
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RE: Glaz and others.....
2005/09/13 15:49:17
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I just ordered the book, Geoff. Can't wait 'til it gets here!
David
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glazfolk
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RE: Glaz and others.....
2005/09/13 18:10:21
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ORIGINAL: davestoy
I just ordered the book, Geoff. Can't wait 'til it gets here!
David
You'll really love it! I got it when it frist came out, quite a few years ago noq. I've foun d it really helpful, mpore than worth the cost alone for the great visuals (like the one I posted). Best, Geoff
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