triscuit
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Who Votes for more AUX busses?
I'd like to see a show of hands on who wants more aux busses? I've outgrown the few that P5 has. I'm sure this has been a feature request for a while and with P5 V3 on the horizon I bet we can get them to add this feature. Sub aux busses would be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath. Lets show um what we got. 
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 14:43:55
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I rarely use the four that they give me, to be honest Trix. Sorry.
My REAL wish is for a revised mixing console whereby a synths TOTAL signal is routed through the AUX bus instead of in parallel as I understand it is now. There is no way to get a 100% wet signal/effect from ANY plugin through the current AUX bus mixing configuration. I was reading an interesting tidbit (I think it was about the Antares Tube plugin, but certainly is relevent to others!) that says if you arent routing the WHOLE signal through the plugin effect, then it is best not to use it at all....as the intended purpose of the plugin is circumvented by the untreated portion of signal. 
I have a real need in my day to day use of P5 for a more robust MIXING/ROUTING section. I never thought I'd say it, but I do see the necessity of a more flexible and complete Aux Bus section. I wish it was possible to even change some line in the current code to alter or redirect the current signal flow! Is it possible? Only B Rock (maybe wrench) knows!
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 15:50:16
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Thumbs up on all counts yer honor! Guilty as charged, I'm ready for my sentence. what'dya mean, defferred adjudication? ************************************************** I've been a proponent for more aux busses since 1.5 ORIGINAL: triscuit
Sub aux busses would be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath.
agreed. i'm turning blue just dreamin' about it ... ORIGINAL: Digital Aura
My REAL wish is for a revised mixing console whereby a synths TOTAL signal is routed through the AUX bus instead of in parallel as I understand it is now. There is no way to get a 100% wet signal/effect from ANY plugin through the current AUX bus mixing configuration. Why not both? Series or parallel. ORIGINAL: Digital Aura
I have a real need in my day to day use of P5 for a more robust MIXING/ROUTING section. I never thought I'd say it, but I do see the necessity of a more flexible and complete Aux Bus section. I wish it was possible to even change some line in the current code to alter or redirect the current signal flow! Agreed. All in all, both of your needs (and mine) are not being met by Project 5's current Bussing structure. As it currently stands I have to rewire to Sonar to get things the way I want them. I wish I didn't have to. What do you think? yeah you!
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 15:51:12
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for me, until P5 gets Sonars mixer, just forget it, I can't even think about doing serious mixing and mastering inside of P5. As costly as it is, that is why I have to have both.
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 15:52:07
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ORIGINAL: Digital Aura
I rarely use the four that they give me, to be honest Trix. Sorry.
My REAL wish is for a revised mixing console whereby a synths TOTAL signal is routed through the AUX bus instead of in parallel as I understand it is now. There is no way to get a 100% wet signal/effect from ANY plugin through the current AUX bus mixing configuration.
Well, that's not really the intended purpose of any AUX bus. They're usually for reverbs and delay effects for which you would want your reverb or delay effect at 100% wet on the aux buss and then another 100% dry signal coming through the regular track bus. Both signals are then 'added' together when they come together in the final output bus. But yes, I would like more aux busses. Just four is pretty lame. It should be unlimited. More routing options would be nice too. There's no way to combine a bunch of track onto one buss which you can then effect.
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 16:04:25
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Well, of course, one can have a 100% wet signal by placing the fx in the track fx bin and setting the effect's mix control to 100%. Personally I have never used all four, but probably only because of the limited routing (since I rewire into Sonar for final mix, it's not a big deal for me) Fore those without a full-service rewire-capable audio host, a console screen with flexible busing would undoubtedly be a vast functional improvement, even if they don't realize it yet. Having Sonar, I'd probably never use it. 
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 16:44:03
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Lets show um what we got. This isn't going to be a popular solution, because it involves Rewire. Open up version 1.5 (you do still have it loaded, don't you?) as a Rewire client to V2's host. That gains you all the tracks, four more Aux busses, and you can circumvent the 100% wet problem by dropping an effect into 1.5's Master buss. If that's not sub-mixing, I don't know what is ...
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 17:15:11
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ORIGINAL: b rock
Lets show um what we got. This isn't going to be a popular solution, because it involves Rewire.
Oh boy do I hate re-wire. In the end I have to freeze every single track to get it to export to a wave file at all. I can't have another program open.
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 18:15:32
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I'm with Digital Aura on this one. Sorry.
Until I've managed to challenge the four busses we have already have, I don't see a need for more. The four busses I have, are sitting in a dark corner unused because I can't disable the Master bus. Bit of an oops by Cakewalk if you ask me, but should be simple to FIX in V2!
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 18:38:47
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ORIGINAL: SuperGreenX
ORIGINAL: Digital Aura
I rarely use the four that they give me, to be honest Trix. Sorry.
My REAL wish is for a revised mixing console whereby a synths TOTAL signal is routed through the AUX bus instead of in parallel as I understand it is now. There is no way to get a 100% wet signal/effect from ANY plugin through the current AUX bus mixing configuration.
Well, that's not really the intended purpose of any AUX bus. They're usually for reverbs and delay effects for which you would want your reverb or delay effect at 100% wet on the aux buss and then another 100% dry signal coming through the regular track bus. Both signals are then 'added' together when they come together in the final output bus.
But yes, I would like more aux busses. Just four is pretty lame. It should be unlimited. More routing options would be nice too. There's no way to combine a bunch of track onto one buss which you can then effect.
I think DA knows the aux purpose but is trying to achieve exactly what you're talking about in that last line, which could be solved by giving us an option of pre/post fader on the aux sends.
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SuperGreenX
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 19:14:05
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Oh ok. Yeah that would be quite cool.
I started in Reason, so the idea that any type of bussing is not doable and unlimited irks me :). If P5 was my main host (I most often rewire it into Acid), I'd definitely be using up the four aux channels quite often. This lack of routing possibilities really keeps P5 away from being an awesome app to use for hosting. More bussing please!
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Digital Aura
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/09 19:27:38
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yeah you know what I meant...you nailed it. Pre/post faders...thats it.
As I've never used any other music app before P5 came into my life I was never "in the know" when it came to "other" routing possibilities.... with a year and a bit of P5 experience I can see how flexible and easy it could and should be! 
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 12:34:20
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Yeah i would love to have Sonar's mixer in P5 with its Pre/Post faders, and if thats not possible, ill take a mixer like FL Studios, which has some nice features, tho we probably won't see anything till maybe spring of next year.
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fac
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 12:46:56
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I don't own P5 but in Sonar I never use more than three aux busses. Wasn't there a registry tweak to change the number of auxs?
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triscuit
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 13:27:09
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ORIGINAL: fac
I don't own P5 but in Sonar I never use more than three aux busses.
Wasn't there a registry tweak to change the number of auxs?
Registry tweak. That sounds like playing with fire..........I'm in. I think I'll re-write the program while I'm at it. Anyways, I'm starting to get into extreme processing and may go overboard. 2 reverbs 1 short 1 long. 1 delay 1 even longer reverb for effect, atomated. 1 Flange or crazy delay Even if I wanted to use more I couldn't. I'd say more flexibility would be great too. I'd also like to rout indivdual sections for dimension into an aux bus but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Digital Aura
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 16:14:07
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ORIGINAL: fac
I don't own P5 but in Sonar I never use more than three aux busses.
Wasn't there a registry tweak to change the number of auxs?
fac ? You don't own P5 ???
I am stunned! Your a long time post-er here! I assumed you owned it!! [sm=rolleyes.gif]
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 17:10:46
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ORIGINAL: triscuit
I'd also like to rout indivdual sections for dimension into an aux bus but I'm not going to hold my breath.
Isn't this possible already? (or are you not holding your breath whilst waiting for enough aux busses to have some spare to do this?). I think that Dimension is multi-out isn't it? If so, then this can be done. If not so, then let's just chalk it up to experience and talk about it no more.
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 17:16:32
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I know you can set Dimension to be multitimbral but i don't think its multi-out, if it is its news to me.
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 17:21:16
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ORIGINAL: ZuN
I know you can set Dimension to be multitimbral but i don't think its multi-out, if it is its news to me.
I've a feeling that you're correct. Must have been the multitimbral bit I was remembering.
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 17:25:48
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I wonder if Dim Pro will rectify the multiout thing....?
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 17:33:43
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ORIGINAL: fac
Wasn't there a registry tweak to change the number of auxs?
Correct, There is a registry tweak, and believe it or not, when I was trying to find a way to associate the Lame encoder with P5, I ran across the line that allowed me to change the number of Aux bus. I, however, said I will come back to that later and never did. Now tonight I must find it again and post my findings. In the interim, look here. From the p5 Wiki look at these to registry keys. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\Project5 is the main registry key. Be sure to export this key to a backup file before editing. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Cakewalk Music Software\Project5\Options is where most of our editing fun will take place. Peace 
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 18:37:29
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You wait ages for an Aux bus and then four come along at once. (Sorry, British joke)
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 18:52:55
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Wait wait....even if I did change the number of aux busses.... Will they be graphically represented???
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/12 19:19:56
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I ran across the line that allowed me to change the number of Aux bus. Can't find it, James. Not "ini" the .ini, either. I'll be interested in your roadmap. Then it's on to MouseDnTrigger=0 ...
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James D
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/13 17:54:27
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ORIGINAL: b rock
I'll be interested in your roadmap. Then it's on to MouseDnTrigger=0 ... b rock - I'd be interested to remember where I saw it myself. LOL Dag. I know I saw that thing, and yet when I went home last night and searched the registry I couldn't find it anywhere. I even looked and the .ini file also. Dag ..Dag... Dag.., I know I ran across a line that read Aux Send (4) in the registry somewhere. I can see the other values to increase or decrease, but no Aux Send. My search will still go on. Now I have two, the BCF control surface and full parametric feedback in P5, and additional Aux Sends. Actaully I never use more than three any way but it will be cool to have the ability to increase them. Sorry folks. Peace
post edited by James D - 2005/10/13 22:53:17
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/13 18:08:43
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Hello, No need to apologize - there have been wilder speculations that than made around these parts, some by myself. Maybe in this thread. It's this part of your post that piqued my interest: ORIGINAL: James D
My search will still go on. Now I have two, the BCF control surface and full parametric feedback in P5, and additional Aux Sends. Actaully I never use more than three any way but it will be cool to have the ability to increase them.
I think that you're saying that parametric feedback is part of your two-part search, but just in case I'm misreading, and you have figured out how to get feedback to a control surface from P5, then please do tell! ta, ben
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/13 22:41:36
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I think that you're saying that parametric feedback is part of your two-part search, but just in case I'm misreading, and you have figured out how to get feedback to a control surface from P5, then please do tell!
Ben, You misunderstood me. I have been on a quest to get Cakewalk to create a Patch for P5 that would allow the use of Control surfaces, especially the allowing the use of the BCF2000 in P5. I was merely stating that now I have two quest. 1. Finding a registy hack for increasing the number of Aux sends in P5 2. Having Cakewalk create a patch or include in the next update or next version of P5, the ability to use control surfaces not just MIDI controllers. I hate the idea of using the faders and knobs on a keyboad to manage P5, instead I would like to be able use my BCF2000 to control P5 like I use it to contol Sonar Peace,
post edited by James D - 2005/10/13 22:58:44
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/14 08:29:46
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ORIGINAL: James D
Ben,
You misunderstood me. I have been on a quest to get Cakewalk to create a Patch for P5 that would allow the use of Control surfaces, especially the allowing the use of the BCF2000 in P5. I was merely stating that now I have two quest.
1. Finding a registy hack for increasing the number of Aux sends in P5
2. Having Cakewalk create a patch or include in the next update or next version of P5, the ability to use control surfaces not just MIDI controllers.
I hate the idea of using the faders and knobs on a keyboad to manage P5, instead I would like to be able use my BCF2000 to control P5 like I use it to contol Sonar
Peace,
Hi James, Fair enough - that's what I thought, but on the off-chance that you'd discovered my holy grail for P5 (bi-directional control surface support) I just had to ask. Good luck to us both!
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RE: Who Votes for more AUX busses?
2005/10/14 08:34:45
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Four busses is more than I need. I use P5 as a composition station. By the time I need multiple auxes, I'm ready to track in SONAR. If P5 gets more audio oriented I might be tempted to stay in the environment from soup to nuts.
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