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Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
I received my copy of Computer Music yesterday & in their review of Sonar 5 Producer they give it a 9 saying that V-Vocal can't be processed offline & the Studio Version doesn't come with much....Their Positive Remarks go like this: "A MATURE, HUGELY SOPHISTICATED PRODUCT" "V-VOCAL IS WORTH THE UPGRADE PRICE ON IT'S OWN" "PERFECT SPACE IS ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE" "REDEFINED MIDI FUNCTIONALLITY" "PER CLIP FX BINS-YAY!!!!!" So overall, it's really a 10 seeing that they are dissing really only the lack of "Offline Processing" with V-Vocal... I'd say Sonar 5 Producer is an awesome upgrade...But it will truely be awesome with the upcoming .01 fix! Wildman 
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 07:32:01
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On yer Nic! 
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 11:26:46
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well, it's unrealistic to give any piece of software a 10, as there is nothing that can truly be all things to all men - no piece of software is perfect.
But, Does computer music still give everything they review a score between 8 and 10? meaning that a 9 is basically the equivalent of a 2 out of 3?!? lol
I've read reviews of software in that magazine which highlighted huge, glaring faults, but they still give it a 9!
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 12:15:48
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ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle
well, it's unrealistic to give any piece of software a 10, as there is nothing that can truly be all things to all men - no piece of software is perfect.
But, Does computer music still give everything they review a score between 8 and 10? meaning that a 9 is basically the equivalent of a 2 out of 3?!? lol
I've read reviews of software in that magazine which highlighted huge, glaring faults, but they still give it a 9!
There's an inherent bias in many of these "reviews": Not a good idea go about knocking products from companies you collect advertising revenue from.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 12:22:45
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I've subscribed to Computer Music for over 3 years now & I've found that they pretty much say it like it is.. They couldn't hold any positive reputation by showing bias all the time... The review is actually right on the money & they describe every new feature pretty thoroughly & once again, it's a matter of personal preference but I find the Magazine very useful & informative in keeping up with the fast advancing world of Software Synthesis & DAWs. JMHO Wildman
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 12:31:12
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ORIGINAL: ooblecaboodle
well, it's unrealistic to give any piece of software a 10, as there is nothing that can truly be all things to all men - no piece of software is perfect.
But, Does computer music still give everything they review a score between 8 and 10? meaning that a 9 is basically the equivalent of a 2 out of 3?!? lol
I've read reviews of software in that magazine which highlighted huge, glaring faults, but they still give it a 9!
No, I've routinely seen them rate something as low as 6 if they find glaring faults. They are pretty much reliable. They recently ripped up that rollable keyboard thingie...
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 12:34:15
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I agree j boy! I've still got every issue along with the CDs & now DVDs & they really are straight shooters & it's a wealth of information every month! Wildman They are pretty much reliable. They recently ripped up that rollable keyboard thingie...
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 12:39:49
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There's an inherent bias in many of these "reviews": Not a good idea go about knocking products from companies you collect advertising revenue from. Wait for the review in electronic musician. Although their reviews seem a little long winded at times they do attempt to give a fair and unbias reviews whether they get advertising funds or not.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 12:42:52
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ORIGINAL: j boy
No, I've routinely seen them rate something as low as 6 if they find glaring faults. They are pretty much reliable. They recently ripped up that rollable keyboard thingie...
Which was advertised in latest issue ! So the advertisers didn't pull the ads. I find their scores to be reasonably fair I thought that the Sonar review was not as in depth as it could have been. I don't think Sonar 5 was even mentioned in the previous issue. I have a feeling they got caught cold on this one, didn't have too much time to spend on it and commit to a 10. I love the mag though ... plus pretty good stuff usually on the DVD. When I get time I want to make it a mission to write a piece just using what is on the DVD. Did anyone here have time to have a stab at the Ash remix from previous issue. (I know US folk can't win anything, not being in UK), but I thought it would be an interesting challenge which unfortunately is still on my to do list.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 14:31:49
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ORIGINAL: gonzo_dog
There's an inherent bias in many of these "reviews": Not a good idea go about knocking products from companies you collect advertising revenue from.
Wait for the review in electronic musician. Although their reviews seem a little long winded at times they do attempt to give a fair and unbias reviews whether they get advertising funds or not.
Same at Sound on Sound.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 14:45:35
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I find sound on sounds reviews to be 20-40% better than computer musics'
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 16:03:11
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No, I've routinely seen them rate something as low as 6 if they find glaring faults. They are pretty much reliable. They recently ripped up that rollable keyboard thingie... Wow, as low as 6 eh? well, if their scale is a 0-10, then 5 must be average right? So in your own words, the "reliable" reviews would rate something with glaring faults as better than average?
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 16:56:02
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Wow, as low as 6 eh? well, if their scale is a 0-10, then 5 must be average right? Your logic is slightly flawed here! Do they say 5 is average? It sounds like "average" in this case may be around 8. Brian
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 17:15:00
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Wait for the review in electronic musician. Although their reviews seem a little long winded at times they do attempt to give a fair and unbias reviews whether they get advertising funds or not. It is interesting you feel that way. I think more or less the opposite. Also, I find the reviews are vauge, and they leave many measurements and critical tests out of the picture. Also, if Sonar is reviewed by a Cubase user, you have to hope he spends enough time to really get to know Sonar. If it is a Sonar user, then you don't know if he has enough knowledge of Cubase to give a valid comparison/opinion. For me, this forum has more to offer than a magazine review. But of course, I am glad to see the positive publicity.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 18:24:38
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ORIGINAL: solar28
I find sound on sounds reviews to be 20-40% better than computer musics'
All kidding aside, I agree with this statement. SoS's are a little deeper I've found, so the analysis is more inline with what a power user might expect. That said, Computer Music has had a fondness for Sonar for a long time, they've championed it in Europe for some time now. So I'm not surprised it got a 9, though I think I DO recall seeing things get 10's in there, so I'm surprised it didn't receive that.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 18:39:28
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Sound on Sound is a great magazine, and yes more detailed reviews. But if I've only got 'X' amount of money to spend on magazine(s) every month I'll go with CM first, because
1.) it's way more fun
2.) you get all that cool content on the DVD (remember that BFD demo a few months back?). I've found numerous samples that I've put to good use.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 19:21:28
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I used to write and review for Computer Music on a freelance basis and I have to say that they never tried to influence my writing or reviews in any way either for or against. I always felt that my integrity was important and they always respected that so I don't think they have made any review decisions based on advertising revenue. I have given very low scores as well as very high scores and to be honest there really is a lot of good product out there so it's difficult to mark down anything that is great, whether hardware or software.
If you look at the first page of their reviews they show what the ratings actually mean so:
1-4 Give it a miss
5-6 Not too shabby
7 Good
8-9 Very good
10 Excellent
They elaborate on this a little but a 10 is 'practically faultless'.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 21:28:11
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I'm glad you chimed in Trev! I think for the most part both Computer Music & SOS are great reads & a super reference to seeking the latest greatest gear. As I stated before, it's a matter of personal preference & whatever floats your boat. I find both Magazines to be quite informative & probobly the best on the Market for feeding the Curious Musician with,,, "GAS",,Wildman I used to write and review for Computer Music on a freelance basis and I have to say that they never tried to influence my writing or reviews in any way either for or against. I always felt that my integrity was important and they always respected that so I don't think they have made any review decisions based on advertising revenue.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 21:40:06
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Wait for the review in electronic musician. Although their reviews seem a little long winded at times they do attempt to give a fair and unbias reviews whether they get advertising funds or not.
It is interesting you feel that way. I think more or less the opposite.
I fully agree with pharohoknaughty on this one. Electronic Musician reviews are complete dribble. Written soley to keep advertisers on board. Basically paraphrased versions of the manufacturer's brochures. One of the reasons I stopped buying Electronic Musician. There is a small Australian magazine called "Audio Technology" that calls the shots pretty darn straight. Most comtemporary recording and audio mags have sold their souls with the focus on revenue. Whatever keeps the advertisers on board is what they print. These days you either have to find out about hardware/software the hard way, or get advice from people you trust. But with every Tom, Dick, and Harry raving that their $89 chinese microphones sound like Neumanns, it's hard to know who to believe anymore. Disillusioned? Who me? Bill.
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/04 22:08:43
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These days you either have to find out about hardware/software the hard way, or get advice from people you trust. But with every Tom, Dick, and Harry raving that their $89 chinese microphones sound like Neumanns, it's hard to know who to believe anymore. Disillusioned? Who me? Bill. I've never read a bad review in a magazine - not saying they are not there but they all are too generous and don't want to tell the whole truth or business will suffer. Reviews mostly end the same way - genercically good - just check them out. Advertising dollars rule America. For the love the money....
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RE: Computer Music Rates Sonar 5 @ 9**
2005/11/05 01:28:11
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These days you either have to find out about hardware/software the hard way, or get advice from people you trust. But with every Tom, Dick, and Harry raving that their $89 chinese microphones sound like Neumanns, it's hard to know who to believe anymore. They may not sound like Neumanns, but let me tell you they are way kewl for 89 bucks. No? But your bigger point is that mags can't really sepatate themselves from the sponsors, and must go with recognised authors. I perfer the internet authors.
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